Hayward's Woes

[Rubashov]

Celtics Woes, not Hayward Woes.

GH got his Max 4/128 deal and he still gets paid. Now his next contract may dip a bit but if he follows PG13 path, who, by the way also sucked *** his first year back, he will be fine.

What sucks for Celtics, assuming Hayward is mostly back **next year**, is he can opt out after next year.....

A bloke struggling to average ten points a game and getting paid 30 million a year isn't going to opt out of that contract. Best case scenario he has a career year next year, the Celtics will have paid him 90 million for one decent season, leaving after that would be the act of a complete arsehole. So its possible then...

 

[zyzz]

I agree with you. Especially with his personality seemed a better fit to stay.

Still feels to me that something happened during his 1st contract negotiation, maybe even with Gail(no phone call) , that he could not get over.

Regardless, hind sight being 20/20 he actually may have been better staying

It's still weird how he never got over that. Zach Lowe brought it up on his podcast today that Hayward never got over it. I think people are looking at that negotiation with a lot of hindsight bias though and act like the Jazz ****ed over Hayward who was a no-brainer max guy. Hayward averaged like 16/5/5 on 41/30/82 splits...on a 25 win team...and wasn't good at defense yet. After Utah matched, people were talking about how it was the worst contract in the league and how Charlotte dodged a bullet and got Lance Stephenson for less money.

Lowe also said he wouldn't be surprised if Hayward was in a New Orleans Pelicans jersey next year because he's someone the Pelis could talk themselves into as a possible allstar. They're gonna be desperate because they're a relocation candidate if push comes to shove.

 

[nateboz]

Too bad his play is so bad. Ainge could have used him to trade for Anthony Davis. Ainge is going to lose Kyrie next. Talk about a swing and a miss.

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[Thee Jazz Fan]

I literally feel nothing towards him. I went from wanting to father his children to absolutely loathing him. Now? Nothing. It's kind of odd.

When the news came that he wasn’t re-upping, I was indifferent with it, I was shocked that I just didn’t care.

I forgive and forget pretty easily

I don’t, but surprisingly I did forgive and forget with Hayward, probably has something to do with Mitchell

It's Hayward woes too. He would have got his Max here too and he knows. Difference is it would have been a bigger Max and he would be have a better role and be a better player. And the fans would have loved him to death
He ****ed up.

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Plus, he probably doesn’t get a season ending injury.

He's lucky he's got an injury to blame, because he was always a pretty terrible fit on that team. Even if he's heathy I don't see a way he ever was going to average more than 16 PPG on that team, which is a massive overpay.

Lol, whatever. He would’ve been better off not being injured. Had he played he’d be much better this year and the young players would be behind him this year.

 

[ijazz]

It's still weird how he never got over that. Zach Lowe brought it up on his podcast today that Hayward never got over it. I think people are looking at that negotiation with a lot of hindsight bias though and act like the Jazz ****ed over Hayward who was a no-brainer max guy. Hayward averaged like 16/5/5 on 41/30/82 splits...on a 25 win team...and wasn't good at defense yet. After Utah matched, people were talking about how it was the worst contract in the league and how Charlotte dodged a bullet and got Lance Stephenson for less money.

Lowe also said he wouldn't be surprised if Hayward was in a New Orleans Pelicans jersey next year because he's someone the Pelis could talk themselves into as a possible allstar. They're gonna be desperate because they're a relocation candidate if push comes to shove.

Interesting. Remember Hayward was recruited by IT who seemed to mesh better with Hayward. Kyrie, as talented as he is brings nothing but drama to the celtics which is funny because that is why he left Lebron was due to the drama.

At the end of the day it is all a business that is why I would not be surprised if Ainge deals Hayward, only issue is at this minute he has 0 value. Maybe by this time next year but that turns into a 4 month rental

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Hayward had two obstacles this year.

1. Overcoming the injury mentally and physically.

2. The young guys got extra opportunities to play and get better thanks to the injury. In many ways this put Hayward behind in the pecking order in the landscape of the team. Hard to find your place while trying to overcome the #1 obstacle while also being a little socially inept. Never big in the community, and doesn’t have that dog mentality

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Too bad his play is so bad. Ainge could have used him to trade for Anthony Davis. Ainge is going to lose Kyrie next. Talk about a swing and a miss.

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Funny thing is, he could’ve traded for one of PG or Butler fairly easy but didn’t. All because he wouldn’t trade Brown.

 

[ijazz]

Hayward had two obstacles this year.

1. Overcoming the injury mentally and physically.

2. The young guys got extra opportunities to play and get better thanks to the injury. In many ways this put Hayward behind in the pecking order in the landscape of the team. Hard to find your place while trying to overcome the #1 obstacle while also being a little socially inept. Never big in the community, and doesn’t have that dog mentality

Agreed. Which in all seriousness I did not think he had the balls to leave the Jazz. Boston market is nasty. I was in Boston on a business trip 5 years ago or so when KC shredded them on either Sun/Mon night football. Next day sports radio wanted Belichech gone, Brady was done......

Celtics are a Sop opera right now
- Kyrie calling out younger players constantly
- Many "team" only meetings which are never good
- Hayward Saga
- Rozier and Brown needing stats to get a contract
- Let's just say they do not play team ball

 

[Getting Traded]

You act like it wasn’t 100% clear he was not re-signing with the jazz.

Poster was talking about IT in the post you replied to.

 

[Stars Fan]

It's still weird how he never got over that. Zach Lowe brought it up on his podcast today that Hayward never got over it. I think people are looking at that negotiation with a lot of hindsight bias though and act like the Jazz ****ed over Hayward who was a no-brainer max guy. Hayward averaged like 16/5/5 on 41/30/82 splits...on a 25 win team...and wasn't good at defense yet. After Utah matched, people were talking about how it was the worst contract in the league and how Charlotte dodged a bullet and got Lance Stephenson for less money.

Lowe also said he wouldn't be surprised if Hayward was in a New Orleans Pelicans jersey next year because he's someone the Pelis could talk themselves into as a possible allstar. They're gonna be desperate because they're a relocation candidate if push comes to shove.

If the Pels trade AD and think that Gordon is going save them, they deserve to relocate.

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[Goodluckchuck]

I never thought he was a max guy. He had one good year and the Celtics threw max money at him. I’m glad he left. I don’t think DM is who he is if Hayward were still here. Boston is seeing the false gold that I always believed he truly was. I was never a hater of his game. But I never saw him as top player in this league.


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[fishonjazz]

Tonight Kyrie was out. I thought this might be a chance for Hayward to have a break out game.

He played 21 minutes and was 1-6 for 2 points lol
Baynes also played 21 minutes off the bench and scored 16 points.



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