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Hill and Hayward: The Package Deal

Quin has shown very little willingness to roll with Gobert/Favors...

Not sure if I can agree with that. Granted it was true in the playoffs but one or both of them were injured essentially the whole time, quite possibly with minute restrictions. And according to 82games.com, https://www.82games.com/1617/1617UTA2.HTM, the two 5-man lineups that got the most minutes this season were with Gobert and Favors both on the floor.
 
Not sure if I can agree with that. Granted it was true in the playoffs but one or both of them were injured essentially the whole time, quite possibly with minute restrictions. And according to 82games.com, https://www.82games.com/1617/1617UTA2.HTM, the two 5-man lineups that got the most minutes this season were with Gobert and Favors both on the floor.

On a per game basis, Hill was not in any of our three best five-man rotations. He wasn't in our fifth best either.
 
Not sure if I can agree with that. Granted it was true in the playoffs but one or both of them were injured essentially the whole time, quite possibly with minute restrictions. And according to 82games.com, https://www.82games.com/1617/1617UTA2.HTM, the two 5-man lineups that got the most minutes this season were with Gobert and Favors both on the floor.

Dont feel like doing the math, but even though they are the two most used lineups (because starting lineups are more consistent than any other mid-game rotation lineup) they are still in the minority. They only appear in 3 lineups together.
 
I don't believe for one second that Hayward re-ups with the Jazz without ironclad assurances from DL on a George Hill resigning or another big acquisition in his place.

He would be a straight fool to approach it any differently. He wants to win. If this were up to all of the know-nothing capologists flexing their flagrant ignorance, we'd be accidentally heading into either another rebuild or a very depressing treadmill.
 
You said get some stars and named them.
There is more to it than that.

You also said be patient. Not sure that being patient gets us anywhere.

Of course there's more to it. But the guys I mentioned are obtainable for us in trade. The guys I mentioned were Paul George, Jimmy Butler and Brook Lopez. Paul George is going to get traded, I think everyone agrees there. The Pacers have to get something in return for him before he leaves them in free agency. It's been reported recently that sources have said that Jimmy Butler won't be back in Chicago next year. The Nets were shopping Brook Lopez for two first rounders at the deadline. We can trade for one of these guys. We have the assets to make it happen. I'm not dreaming about getting Lebron, Kawhi or Anthony Davis like your snarky comment suggested. I'm just saying we should try to trade for one of these stars who are actually on the block and make a big push for a championship. If none of these trades work out I think we should be patient for a trade that does. Re-signing George Hill at 25-30 million sets us on a finite path with no wiggle room and no options. If he can't stay healthy or regresses you aren't trading that contract. It's probably not even tradeable if he's healthy. It's a noose around the teams neck.
 
Of course there's more to it. But the guys I mentioned are obtainable for us in trade. The guys I mentioned were Paul George, Jimmy Butler and Brook Lopez. Paul George is going to get traded, I think everyone agrees there. The Pacers have to get something in return for him before he leaves them in free agency. It's been reported recently that sources have said that Jimmy Butler won't be back in Chicago next year. The Nets were shopping Brook Lopez for two first rounders at the deadline. We can trade for one of these guys. We have the assets to make it happen. I'm not dreaming about getting Lebron, Kawhi or Anthony Davis like your snarky comment suggested. I'm just saying we should try to trade for one of these stars who are actually on the block and make a big push for a championship. If none of these trades work out I think we should be patient for a trade that does. Re-signing George Hill at 25-30 million sets us on a finite path with no wiggle room and no options. If he can't stay healthy or regresses you aren't trading that contract. It's probably not even tradeable if he's healthy. It's a noose around the teams neck.

Keep George Hill and have no cap space or let George Hill walk and have no cap space.

Such a hard question.


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Dont feel like doing the math, but even though they are the two most used lineups (because starting lineups are more consistent than any other mid-game rotation lineup) they are still in the minority. They only appear in 3 lineups together.

True. They were not used together the majority of the minutes. But again, I don't think you can say that "Quin has shown very little willingness to roll with Gobert/Favors". He has certainly shown some willingness.
 
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