Hillary Clinton says Tulsi Gabbard is a 'Russian asset' groomed to ensure Trump reelection

[LogGrad98]

Yep. I mean biden would be like 81 so I would definitely pick romney over him but I would love to chose from some candidates in the 40-60 year old range. I think thats the sweet spot.

The problem is the way our politics have been for the last 20+ years it's just creating cronies, no one with new ideas or capable of stepping up and away from the party line. The only ones who could carry the vote would be mini Trumps or Biden.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I'm with you on wanting the candidates to be younger, but I also want to pick from the pool of viable people.

That said, Romney doesn't get out of the primary against Trump in the disappointing world I seem to be living in. No need to think about it too much.

Romney might struggle to get out of his primary in Utah. You know they’re going to run a MAGA candidate to the right of him and I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being close.

 

[Avery]

Romney would have to run as an independent and rely on being financed from centrists. Romney's by no means poor and is rich by any measure, but you literally need to be a billionaire to run a viable campaign (ex. Perot). And money isn't everything as Bloomberg could tell you.

I still struggle with seeing how 2024 isn't Trump vs. Biden unless 1) Somebody passes away, 2) Biden decides one term is enough or 3) Trump decides he'd rather be a shadow president/CEO and support somebody like DeSantis to simply be his public puppeteer while he truly pulls the strings.

 

[Gameface]

Romney would have to run as an independent and rely on being financed from centrists. Romney's by no means poor and is rich by any measure, but you literally need to be a billionaire to run a viable campaign (ex. Perot). And money isn't everything as Bloomberg could tell you.

I still struggle with seeing how 2024 isn't Trump vs. Biden unless 1) Somebody passes away, 2) Biden decides one term is enough or 3) Trump decides he'd rather be a shadow president/CEO and support somebody like DeSantis to simply be his public puppeteer while he truly pulls the strings.

Trump isn't smart enough, sophisticated enough, or educated enough to be a puppeteer. He is a crude, misinformed, megalomaniac. Someone who controls things from behind the scenes would have to have some sort of cunning and forethought. Trump is all bravado, he's in it for the positive affirmation he gets from his cult rallies. You can't get that as a puppet master.

 

[LogGrad98]

Trump isn't smart enough, sophisticated enough, or educated enough to be a puppeteer. He is a crude, misinformed, megalomaniac. Someone who controls things from behind the scenes would have to have some sort of cunning and forethought. Trump is all bravado, he's in it for the positive affirmation he gets from his cult rallies. You can't get that as a puppet master.

This.

The really sad thing is, looking at the stable of possible horses to run in the upcoming races, there are exactly zero thoroughbreds. We don't have anyone ready or with the reach to be president who isn't basically exactly who we have had for the past 2 election cycles. In fact, in the foreseeable future (say next 2-3 presidential election cycles), barring the quick rise of some young gun, I can't see anyone being in the role that will make a positive difference or move the needle from these last 2 geezers. Not a very good outlook for the ultimate leadership of our country.

Divided we fall, and the fall is shaping up to be pretty ****ing precipitous.

 

[Red]

Long way to go until 2024, and a lot can happen to turn around Biden’s numbers. Or not. If he chooses not to run, personally, I like this idea, although Michelle Obama does not, as yet….

Michelle Obama: Democrats’ 2024 ‘break glass in case of emergency’ candidate

The former first lady is a known quantity with an authenticity that appeals to Democrats, independents, women and minority voters.

thehill.com

Republicans fear Michelle Obama presidential run, ex-Trump aide says

Former treasury spokeswoman tells CPAC ex-first lady is popular and ‘immune to criticism’ – though Obama has ruled out politics

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gameface]

Long way to go until 2024, and a lot can happen to turn around Biden’s numbers. Or not. If he chooses not to run, personally, I like this idea, although Michelle Obama does not, as yet….

Michelle Obama: Democrats’ 2024 ‘break glass in case of emergency’ candidate

The former first lady is a known quantity with an authenticity that appeals to Democrats, independents, women and minority voters.

thehill.com

Republicans fear Michelle Obama presidential run, ex-Trump aide says

Former treasury spokeswoman tells CPAC ex-first lady is popular and ‘immune to criticism’ – though Obama has ruled out politics

www.theguardian.com

I really hate the idea of political dynasties, like with a Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and then they tried again with Jeb Bush, Bill Clinton then eventually Hillary Clinton. I mean it's not quite as bad as this push for celebrity candidates like Oprah and a few others but I still don't like it.

I wish we had a better way of finding good Presidential candidates. Ideally there would be scholars and philosophers and retired military leadership, but what we have are lawyers turned politicians for the most part, followed by celebrities and reality TV personalities.

Ugh.

 

[fishonjazz]

Trump is totally going to run in 2024 unless he dies.

I could see Biden not wanting to run. But then who could beat Trump? Kamala is too black and female. Fox News is doing their hardest to Hillaryize her and it's probably working in a number of key states that Democrats need to win (I'm thinking especially in the rust belt). Mayor Pete is too gay. That's still a major disqualifier for a large segment of the population (including major constituencies of the Democratic party). You know that it'll be really easy for large segments of the electorate to fall for the cheap homophobic attacks that'll be leveled on him. "Pete is gonna legalize trannies in sports! He's going to groom kids! Look at how weak and decadent we are, Chasten is the first lady hahaha!" And if you don't think those attacks won't have a significant impact on the electorate, then I truly wonder if you know anything about America.

Democrats have plenty of moderates, like Klobuchar ann Whitmer, but they'll be destroyed for being women. Remember, we're just a few years away from "Trump that Bitch" being a thing. Again, if you don't think Whitmer won't attract a ton of sexist attacks, then you must not know America at all. A bunch of other Democrats are either too hispanic (go back to Mexico Rep Castro), black (Corey Booker wants to urbanize your neighborhood!), female (Trump that bitch), or urban to win in the general.

It's really tough to win the EC while trying to maintain a large tent. It's much easier to just juice your base with homophobic and bigoted attacks and reap the rewards of the reactionary structure of the EC that benefits ruralists who are falling increasingly behind the rest of the country economically and culturally... Meanwhile, Democrats need to excite turnout in urban areas while also winning the whiter and more conservative rust belt areas in order to win the EC. That's why Biden was so attractive. If you go with someone younger, black/brown, gay, or female, you'll probably lose the rust belt and hand Trump a 2nd term.

I agree with most of this but in your last sentence why did you include young in your list of things that would make democrats lose? Wouldnt a young straight white male be ok?


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[Avery]

Trump isn't smart enough, sophisticated enough, or educated enough to be a puppeteer. He is a crude, misinformed, megalomaniac. Someone who controls things from behind the scenes would have to have some sort of cunning and forethought. Trump is all bravado, he's in it for the positive affirmation he gets from his cult rallies. You can't get that as a puppet master.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but could also argue that he's already doing it now. Look at the scrounge of the right, the MTG's and Boebert's of the world who would have no place in politics if not for Trumpism. The journalists such as Tucker Carlson and other bootlickers who continue to fawn Trump as some savant and lauding 'the good ol' days' before they were stolen. Even saying his name in presidential circles makes other candidates like DeSantis that would normally be a frontrunner need to steer the ship carefully to avoid upsetting the base yet trying to craft themselves as the next baton-holder of the party. Hell, drive around and see how many people already have 2024 Trump flags or flying tattered 2020 ones on their lifted trucks or displayed on their property.

He's already puppeteering or others are doing it on his behalf whether we like or not. And in no civilized society does any of this make any sense in the slightest, but welcome to your life in 2022.

 

[Gameface]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but could also argue that he's already doing it now. Look at the scrounge of the right, the MTG's and Boebert's of the world who would have no place in politics if not for Trumpism. The journalists such as Tucker Carlson and other bootlickers who continue to fawn Trump as some savant and lauding 'the good ol' days' before they were stolen. Even saying his name in presidential circles makes other candidates like DeSantis that would normally be a frontrunner need to steer the ship carefully to avoid upsetting the base yet trying to craft themselves as the next baton-holder of the party. Hell, drive around and see how many people already have 2024 Trump flags or flying tattered 2020 ones on their lifted trucks or displayed on their property.

He's already puppeteering or others are doing it on his behalf whether we like or not. And in no civilized society does any of this make any sense in the slightest, but welcome to your life in 2022.

I see that more as Trump opened the gates of hell and these are the devil spawn that sprung forth than as him being puppet master.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I agree with most of this but in your last sentence why did you include young in your list of things that would make democrats lose? Wouldnt a young straight white male be ok?


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A straight white male would probably be the best for winning in the general. But the party is increasingly more diverse and female. So that brings its own challenges. Democrats have to try and keep their base excited and engaged. The base increasingly wants a more liberal and diverse candidate. While the EC forces the party to still pander with more rural and conservative rust belt states that are increasingly whiter and more conservative.

Republicans for right now at least, don't have to worry about pandering to any constituency. They can just focus on culture wars and white grievance and bank on their base turning out to win enough EC states. They clearly no longer even attempt to win the popular vote.

 

[fishonjazz]

A straight white male would probably be the best for winning in the general. But the party is increasingly more diverse and female. So that brings its own challenges. Democrats have to try and keep their base excited and engaged. The base increasingly wants a more liberal and diverse candidate. While the EC forces the party to still pander with more rural and conservative rust belt states that are increasingly whiter and more conservative.

Republicans for right now at least, don't have to worry about pandering to any constituency. They can just focus on culture wars and white grievance and bank on their base turning out to win enough EC states. They clearly no longer even attempt to win the popular vote.

Maybe you didn't read my post. You were saying that we have to have candidates like biden because other candidates are too black/hispanic, gay, or female or young. I was asking why too young is an issue. I understand that there are a lot of people who might not vote for a woman or a homosexual or a POC but I dont understand why anyone would be against voting for someone in their mid 50's or something