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King Cy said:
The Thunder had injuries to Westbrook and Ibaka throughout the year, not just Durant. It's not like Durant was the only injury. If that was the case, they would have made the playoffs.
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They were a .500 team with Durant out after the All Star break even with Westbrook playing out of his mind.
 
The key players on our team are all 25 and under, hell the oldest player on the roster is what? 28? In my opinion we are yet to see Exum, Burks, Hood and Gobert near their true potential (not including lyles who we haven't really seen at all). And a coach in snyder who seems to do all the right things. We are lacking depth and severely missing the three point shooting of any team that hopes to contend. So with that in mind, to answer your question, I think our ceiling is to be a top 3 team in the west, but I don't expect to meet that ceiling thus season or the next.
 
♪alt13 said:
So what's this current teams ceiling? What would we need to do to raise that ceiling?
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No one knows. It's quins second year as coach and the average player age of the jazz is 23 years old. Ingles is the oldest player on the team (a 28 year old, second year player)
 
Catchall said:
I understand the idea behind the OP. It takes elite talent, superstar talent, to really win in this league. The Jazz don't have that #1 guy. Even good teams like Memphis, the Rockets and the Clippers rarely get past the 2nd round of the POs. That said, it really only takes one guy to build around. The Warriors without Steph Curry might not be a playoff team. The Thunder without Durant are barely a .500 team as they showed last year.

If the Jazz could add one legit star player to the mix they currently have, that could put them into the contender tier. But it would have to be one extremely well considered, surgically precise player move to make that happen. Truthfully, I don't think the Jazz can make that move until they get a better read on how a few of their young players are going to turn out.

Right now, the only conclusions we can draw are that neither Trey Burke nor Derrick Favors are superstars in this league. Favors is a decent defensive-minded starting PF in the mold of a Brian Grant, and Trey is a rotation guard. Maybe you conclude that Alec Burks is an above-average scoring guard like a Monta Ellis of sorts. If so, then maybe Burke, Burks and Favors are guys you'd be willing to move for a star-level player.

If Trey Lyles really pans out in the next two years, that could make trading Derrick Favors more tolerable.
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Good post
 
spacing is the problem. That won't get better when Exum returns.

Right now, the most untouchable players for me are Gobert, Hayward, and Exum.
 
Sad to say it but we're far from being a legit contender with Hayward as our #1 option, and I wished I was wrong. He doesn't have 'it' consistently like for example KD. So unless we get our hands on a real consistent difference maker it's gonna be a long way to the top.

Also if you ask me I'm higher on Hood in his 2nd year than I was on Hayward in his 2nd year. I'm curious to know if others have the same perception.
 
Jamezz said:
Sad to say it but we're far from being a legit contender with Hayward as our #1 option, and I wished I was wrong. He doesn't have 'it' consistently like for example KD. So unless we get our hands on a real consistent difference maker it's gonna be a long way to the top.

Also if you ask me I'm higher on Hood in his 2nd year than I was on Hayward in his 2nd year. I'm curious to know if others have the same perception.
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I also think Hood is better at this point in his career than Hayward was at that same point. Hood is a stud and if he can get that 3 point shoot to consistently go down that is a big first step in addressing our 3 point and spacing problems.
 
[rant]Gordon Hoayward is right, this team is full of a bunch of bums, scrubs and castaways who have never done anything and are only in the league because there are 30 teams rather than 29. It is the stupid believers in the media and fan base that have built up this false sense of hope, and I for one am glad that this optimism is shattering on the rocks of the preseason. The media and fans can't expect this team to win, and should never have suggested they compete. That is so unfair to place that burden on Hayward and company. Much better to align our expectations with Gordon's and accept that this team sucks.

Where is the following 2016 Lottery Picks thread? [/rant]
 
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