How bad is Kanter?

[MDAV28]

He's still young and productive enough to get decent value in a trade.

If you're a casual fantasy basketball player in need of a big yeah. If you're a competent GM trying to put together a contending team no way.

 

[GVC]

His value was obviously low at the time, I mean look what we got for him after he openly said he wanted to be traded. The notion that "DL should've taken a better offer" is absurd. There obviously weren't any.

You're bound to get **** after a player demands a trade, especially if most buyers have already spent their assets on other players. That's my point. DL has done a very poor job of maximizing the assets he inherited when he came aboard as GM (this is now his 4th season with the Jazz). I agree that the notion that "DL should've taken a better offer" at the trade deadline is absurd. I think it's likely the return would have been better had DL acted sooner, before buyers were done dealing and Kanter had demanded a trade (proving himself much smarter than the FO).

The Jazz FO had, at the very least, Kanter's exit interview nonsense. If Kanter's representatives are to be believed, they also had earlier trade requests. It's possible Kanter had already submarined his trade value, but we'll never know. What we do know is that DL has let players leave without much to show for it, and done virtually nothing in four free agency periods. I'm still waiting for him to take an actual risk. It's hard to cheer for a team that's only striving for mediocrity.

 

[candrew]

The Jazz FO had, at the very least, Kanter's exit interview nonsense. If Kanter's representatives are to be believed, they also had earlier trade requests. It's possible Kanter had already submarined his trade value, but we'll never know. What we do know is that DL has let players leave without much to show for it, and done virtually nothing in four free agency periods. I'm still waiting for him to take an actual risk. It's hard to cheer for a team that's only striving for mediocrity.

After the trade, Kanter is on record as saying that he made The Jazz FO aware of the fact that he was unhappy in Utah well before the deadline. Bearing that in mind and the fact that it was readily obvious from the get go that he didn't fit in QS's system, DL should have been trying to trade him by September 2014 at the latest.

We'll never know for sure but my guess is DL did try to trade him well before the deadline but he couldn't get a deal done. And, in retrospect, QS's low ball extension offer to Kanter might have been done to try to spur interest from other teams as well.

When Kanter got wind of the fact that Utah was most likely standing pat he forced DL's hand with his trade deadline comments.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

he ain't leaving for a while. If things get that bad, then trading him will be even harder. Let's root for this outcome, emmk?

There is no trading that contract

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

There is no trading that contract

Unless it's for another vet with like issues

 

[spycam1]

You're bound to get **** after a player demands a trade, especially if most buyers have already spent their assets on other players. That's my point. DL has done a very poor job of maximizing the assets he inherited when he came aboard as GM (this is now his 4th season with the Jazz). I agree that the notion that "DL should've taken a better offer" at the trade deadline is absurd. I think it's likely the return would have been better had DL acted sooner, before buyers were done dealing and Kanter had demanded a trade (proving himself much smarter than the FO).

The Jazz FO had, at the very least, Kanter's exit interview nonsense. If Kanter's representatives are to be believed, they also had earlier trade requests. It's possible Kanter had already submarined his trade value, but we'll never know. What we do know is that DL has let players leave without much to show for it, and done virtually nothing in four free agency periods. I'm still waiting for him to take an actual risk. It's hard to cheer for a team that's only striving for mediocrity.

Yeah, letting Millsap and Jefferson walk so we could tank for a real star was totally a "strive for mediocrity" move. No risk involved with that move either.

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[RandyForRubio]

I don't get the "we stuck them with that contract" argument for Kanter. We did not. They did not have to sign him. Clearly they were more inclined to sign him after trading for him, but I don't buy that we "stuck them" with it. At best, DL gets an average grade for this trade. Too late and for too little.

Meanwhile we got back two non-NBA players and a draft pick that will most likely turn out the same way.

 

[spycam1]

I don't get the "we stuck them with that contract" argument for Kanter. We did not. They did not have to sign him. Clearly they were more inclined to sign him after trading for him, but I don't buy that we "stuck them" with it. At best, DL gets an average grade for this trade. Too late and for too little.

Meanwhile we got back two non-NBA players and a draft pick that will most likely turn out the same way.

So basically we got nothing for nothing.

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[RandyForRubio]

So basically we got nothing for nothing.

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For all of his warts, Kanter is still an actual NBA player. If he didn't have an attitude problem, I'd take him over Booker every single day (at a much lower contract of course).

 

[framer]

For all of his warts, Kanter is still an actual NBA player. If he didn't have an attitude problem, I'd take him over Booker every single day (at a much lower contract of course).

Except you don't get him with a better attitude at a lower contract. You get Enes Kanter. If you think his defense is bad now, wait until he gets in his first 7 game series. . .

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Enes Kanter is a generational talent.

Unfortunately his peer group of other generational talents include Mitch Richmond, Antawn Jamison, Shareef Abdur-Rahem, and other players who are technically great, yet their teams never, ever win anything substantial with them in a primary contributing role.

Dude Mitch Richmond was an absolute stud who toiled on some absolutely awful teams. Don't lump him in with the others

 

[FalseFlagg K]

So basically we got nothing for nothing.

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yep we got nothing because that is what Kanter is worth. He'll be a massive liability in the playoffs for them, they won't be able to play him. Imagine a high quality targeting him on D for a seven game series