how can jazz not make the playoff?

[d@!!0n0rcutt]

how can jazz not make playoofs

easy:
there are 8 teams better than jazz
bad bench
bad vets


wouldnt be sprised if we were better than teh 7/8 seeds in east but we have 0 chance of playoffs in west

u say warriors are yung, but they also had key vets (lee, bogut, landry, jack)

Where do the warriors end up? I think worse than last year and that's without injuries. Jack and Landry were beasting. Not sure if iggy makes them better.

First to start off with our own guys...some of you are way behind and don't keep up with the news of the Jazz before you post, must be the fans that think the trade with GSW was a bad trade, lol, it actually was a GREAT trade like some posters on here agree with and a smart enough to understand.

AL JEFFERSON, PAUL MILLSAP, and DEMARRE CARROLL ARE NOT ON THE JAZZ ROSTER ANYMORE (because Big Al signed an offer sheet by the Bobcats and the Jazz had to rescind the bird rights to Paul Millsap and Demarre Carroll when they made the trade with the Warriors)! Word of advice get a twitter account and follow David Locke, Jody Genessey, Bill Oram, and Chad Ford before you post on here again. If that's to complicated check out ESPN.com or sports.yahoo.com or check out any local newspaper site meaning sltrib.com or deseretnews.com and on any of those site check out the Sports/NBA news before you post. Thank you.

Now with a team I want to see FAIL and FAIL hard because we have their 2014 1st round pick is the Golden State Warriors. Jarret Jack and Carl Landry bird rights were rescinded for them to sign Andre Iguodala so they don't have the cap room to bring them back necessarily barring any vet minimum or bi-annual exemption or the mid level exemption. Hopefully Stephen Curry and Andrew Bogut with their injury history, the injury bug will find them again this season and the only player on their bench worth anything is now Harrison Barnes. So their depth is gone as well.

 

[Stifle Tower]

yet our bench was better than those starters.
by FAR.
the starters would dig a hole bench would come in and erase it.

so basically our bench became our starters overnight(barring stupidity by corbin).
so all those points you mentioned did not mean **** last year

Exactly. That's precisely the point we're making, The bench, which was so GOOD last season, now becomes our starters. That's a big jump to make. They outplayed SUBS last season, Let's assume they play well and hold their own against even the better teams. Then what? Beidrins, Evans, Jefferson, a PG TBD and a SG take their place. That unit is going to get KILLED! The bench will dig holes for the starters to try to climb out of. MAYBE the starters can do it AT HOME against some of the weaker teams, but they struggle to win road game against every team. They'll likely be a .500 team at home. 30 wins max; fewer if any of the C5 get injured.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Exactly. We lost 4 of our top 5 scorers (assuming neither Foye nor Mo return). It's going to take time for guys to figure out their roles, develop chemistry, make adjustments on plays (and know what their teammates will do). Even IF the starters have great years, our bench is going to lose games. Look at Portland last season: Aldridge, Matthews, Batum and Lillard and Hickson. That's a playoff quality team, and veterans at that, with the exception of Lillard, All he did was win ROY. Weak link was Hickson, who played ok, but not great. Reason they fell short: their bench. In the WC, Denver and LA Lakers could tumble. The other playoff teams all look like locks to make it to the post-season again. Of the non-playoff teams, I'd certainly say NOLA and Portland will make strong bids. Sacramento has improved. And don't count out Minny. They've been a .500 team when Rubio (and Love) have been healthy.

we lsot the guys clogging up the offense holding back the team.
and we lsot the guys who played 0 defense

 

[Stifle Tower]

we lsot the guys clogging up the offense holding back the team.
and we lsot the guys who played 0 defense

Defense and offense in terms of Pts and Pts Allowed was in the middle of the pack last year. I agree with you the defense will be better for 35 mins. And the offense, once everyone gets on the same page, should be more efficient. Let's just assume the starters outplay their counterparts by 8-10 pts for the 30-35 mins they play. In the remaining 13-18 mins, our terrible bench is going to be outscored by a LOT. And that's optimistic. Against better teams - and on the road - our young starters will be doing great just to play even. Portland is the perfect example last season. All five starters were in double figures, led by Aldridge at 21 pts/per. Lillard was an amazing ROY averaging 19/7. They only won 33 games because of their terrible bench. Does Utah have a better bench? Rush if he comes back strong after his injury could help. But Beidrins and Jefferson were horrible.

 

[carolinajazz]

Exactly. We lost 4 of our top 5 scorers

...scorers? We had no scorers! We had shooters. We had no system. We had no defense. All that will change by Nov. 1st!

 

[b_line]

so i am underestimating the "mythical vet power" corbin is so crazy about.

ok.

warriors where young and made the playoffs.

sarcasm .... and didnt the young uns gain experince from watching the vets play /sarcasm

Warriors were not really a young team last year. They started D Lee, and he is older than Sap and Jefferson. Jarrett Jack is not young. Carl Landry is not young at all. Bogut is not young. They had two young guys, and a young-ish Steph Curry. GS took their lumps and got better, then tanked and got even better. The Jazz are a very young team, with a horrible bench.

Kanter and Favors WILL me much better than Jefferlog and Millsap were, but as of right now, they just show the potential to be better. Anyone who argues that Favors is better than either of those at this moment better be arguing about Defense, because Favors has a lot of improvement to do on offense. He will get there, and so will Kanter, but making the playoffs this season with young guys starting and no bench to speak of will be rather difficult. That said, if we make the playoffs with this team, then we likely have a bunch of all-stars on our hands, and a rookie of the year in Burke.

 

[Wilbur]

In the 2004-2005 season, the Jazz went 26-56. It would be a surprise to do any better than that record given the current roster, coaches, and ownership. It would not be a surprise to do worse than that. This is going to be a really bad team. But it still could be better to watch than the disaster of the past few seasons. It depends on what they do with the offense. Will it be a return to running crisp sets with good spacing, hard picks, and many assisted baskets? Or will the offense of the past three seasons continue? It is difficult to know the answer to that question at this point.

 

[Batman]

Over half of these are probably not true, yet. There is a difference between playing 20 minutes a night versus mostly backups and playing 35 minutes a night versus mostly starters. Kanter and Favors are going to feel the effects of this immediately. In addition, this is a really poor shooting team. I wish we could surround Kanter and Favors with better shooters. I guess Rush helps.

Bro, Hayward was the 4th best 3point shooter in the league after december 1st

 

[Batman]

You cannot simply compare the individual players: it is a team that wins or loses, and every team is something different from a sum of its parts.


More specifically:

1. Scoring in the crunch time at the end of the games: whatever we think about Al and Millsap (when on fire) they could score when needed. Even Mo with his hero ball was passable at that. I am really not so sure that Favors, Kanter or Hayward could do so at this stage in their careers.

2. Experience. Al, Millsap and Mo played many times against all starters at their positions in the NBA. They know their bags of tricks, they know where they struggle against each of them and how to compensate for their weaknesses. Kanter, Burks, and Burke will still have to go through the painful discovery process.

3. Leadership. Who are the leaders on the new Jazz team? Hayward, Favors, Burke? The leader or two will eventually emerge, but the Jazz will struggle mightily until then.

4. The ever point-guard oriented Jazz will have to rely on the guy who is new to the team and even to the NBA.


And so on...

Dude, Mo's Hero Ball was not passable, it was ridiculous. The worst thing for Mo was when he hit that game winner to beat SA becasue it became like a positive reinforcement or something. He's not a winner and he's not really clutch... He lost us plenty of games due to his stupid Hero ball antics. under 24 seconds on the clock and what is MO going to do. He's going to dribble out the clock with the ball in his hands and hoist a 20 25 footer at the buzzer with a hand in his face. It was so retarded!!!!!!