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How do the Jazz get this thing back on track?

fishonjazz said:
Note that we are 6 wins and 7 losses in our last thirteen games

Now go look at the records for orlando, philly, and millwaukee in thier last 13 games and get back to me.
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The Jazz are almost a .500 team against a not terribly easy schedule in that span (not to mention that the bottom-feeders are EXACTLY the teams the Jazz should lose to). The Jazz aren't just winning bunnies. The '08 Jazz might've been only a little better than this team on the road. If you wait until there's a truly serious problem, then it's too late. Being the "est" at anything is an exclusive club, so if you want to be it, you have to go after it.

Remember, to guarantee a top-4 pick requires the worst record in the NBA. Any team can be jumped, and maybe the Jazz do the jumping, but betting on that would not be smart.
 
You do not understand.
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Knowing NUMBERICA as a thoughtful and persuasive poster i feel compelled to ask him to explain to me what it is i do not understand. Care to take on the job?

Oh, thanks. What a wonderful, likely solution.
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Not saying it's a sure fire way to prosperity but then neither is getting the #1 draft pick on a yearly basis.
 
People, take a deep breath, nothing has changed. Jazz will be far from the playoffs and far from the worst record. Wishing it otherwise will not make it so.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
Knowing NUMBERICA as a thoughtful and persuasive poster i feel compelled to ask him to explain to me what it is i do not understand. Care to take on the job?
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If a person believes that the Jazz can't get or can't keep a superstar, then they should give up and advise the Millers to sell and/or move the team. Game over. I don't believe that. What I do believe is that the draft is the most likely way the Jazz land a player like that (the Rockets method has worked... how many times now?*) and that if you're winning and already have them, then you have a shot at retaining them. If you don't have them to begin with, you have nearly a 0% chance. Bringing this all full circle, James Harden went to Houston from such a franchise. Oklahoma City blows but they got the talent in place through the draft and are now perennial contenders (which required it's own level of luck, but they had their fair share of self-manufactured luck). People talk about how the Spurs have this team that is low on lottery picks, but that all only works because of Tim Duncan, their own prize for tanking. Everything they do revolves around his existence on both ends of the floor and there's a reason Pop has said he'll retire when Duncan does. Forgive me for regurgitating common examples, but maybe there's a reason for that.

The odds are not in the Jazz's favor no matter how you cut it. But their odds are best if they end the season at the bottom of the standings. Reality is rarely ideal and you should know that by now.

*The scenario that they capitalized on required a perfect storm of circumstances. They weren't the only team in the running, they might not even have had the best trade package, and to top it off they actually are in a major market (at least when you consider the China ties) which could've been a significant part in Harden choosing to go there over whatever other teams were in the running (one of which may have been your very own UTAH JAZZ). After they had Harden, then they were off to the races. The Rockets situation and the Jazz's situation are not analogous, especially since the Rockets have/had been steadfastly and doggedly in pursuit of a cornerstone player for many years (or at least the second that Yao went down that last time [who they got... guess how?]).
 
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silesian said:
People, take a deep breath, nothing has changed. Jazz will be far from the playoffs and far from the worst record. Wishing it otherwise will not make it so.
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Ok so why should i ever even root for the jazz to win? rooting (wishing) for it wont make it happen
 
NUMBERICA said:
Let's start with the obvious (and also probably overwrought and trite): tanking is ugly and lowly. But you don't win **** in the NBA without star power which takes luck, and sometimes you have to make your own luck. Players are also generally their best with the team that drafted them and a team like the Jazz aren't going to lure a superstar in free agency anyway. To keep the stink of throwing games off your players and coaching staff, your front office has to be committed to depleting the product on the court how they can while still keeping an eye on the future. When you're one of two teams in a conference of 15 that have no real hope of making the playoffs and the best player that you currently have for the future is not very explosive and is on the more diminutive side of things, actual victories are more moral than they are practical. Starting with this caveat is important because it's important to note that getting in the trenches is rarely the most ideal way to do things. Unfortunately for the Jazz, this probably IS the most ideal way to do things.

Here are my suggestions:

Trade all vets worth half a **** away for worse (or virtually no) players
That specifically means Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson. Take back whatever future asset you can so that you can continue to peddle this notion that you're doing the trade for any reason beyond the ugly and obvious. Taking back non-expiring contracts might be necessary, but in those cases, you can ask for more in terms of future assets and do it with a straight face. Here are some ideas that have been mentioned in a different thread or two;
-Marvin Williams for Caron Butler (which would also make the Bucks better)
-Richard Jefferson for Ben Gordon (which would also make the Bobcats better and destroy the Jazz)
-Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson for Danny Granger and Chris Copeland (franklin)
-Marvin Williams for Steve Nash (and SOME kind of asset if one even exists, I also think Nash could be a nice asset for Burke and/or the coaching staff)
-Marvin Williams for Kendrick Perkins and a 1st rounder (they own Dallas' pick which is top-20 protected through 2017, then unprotected in 2018).
-Richard Jefferson for Emeka Okafor
The Jazz might also consider trading Evans and/or Garrett as well. Staggering the timing on the trades might help with destabilizing the chemistry as well.

Fire Corbin
Hire Sydney Lowe as interim coach.

Experiment
Dedicate game time to workshop ideas. Work on sets that aren't already in the offense. Dedicate the team to playing different defensive schemes (2-3 zone, 3-2 zone, triangle and 2, box and 1, 2-1-2/full-court press, forcing teams middle into help, etc.) for games on end to develop a depth of understanding. Play Evans at SF, Burks at PG. Use all of these experiences to broaden your eventual options and gather data on how they work when implemented.

Play Kanter
The Jazz play like hot dog**** when he's on the floor. His role and primary directive need to be altered. He should be shooting threes and the offense modified as such. Then he should be told that as long as he's not dogging it or fouling out, that he gets first-crack at minutes. For his mistakes short of dogging it (for which you unceremoniously pull him), just coach as you go and just see if he figures it out. This could really be a make or break decision for him, but that's a risk I think is worth taking since he'll have to figure this out sometime (or not).

Trade Hayward?
I don't know about this one. I like Hayward. Depending on the cost, he could be a really nice piece to have. But on a team of legit options, he may be more of a luxury than a necessity. He's important for what the Jazz do right now, and depending on how the Jazz feel about what he might get offered and what they're willing to match, trading him could accomplish a lot of goals simultaneously.



Any other suggestions?
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So you think Corbin is a good coach? That is why we should fire him, so we can tank more effectively?
 
I really think that Milwaukee would be the only projected lottery team that would be willing to trade their pick for a good player or two. I think all the owner of the bucks wants to do is compete for the playoffs, and have a decently entertaining product on the floor. If we could trade them Burks, Kanter and Marvin for their pick and a couple crappy players in return, I think it could really work out.
 
b_line said:
I really think that Milwaukee would be the only projected lottery team that would be willing to trade their pick for a good player or two. I think all the owner of the bucks wants to do is compete for the playoffs, and have a decently entertaining product on the floor. If we could trade them Burks, Kanter and Marvin for their pick and a couple crappy players in return, I think it could really work out.
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Of course it would really work out... for the Jazz.

Not even Herb Kohl is that stupid.
 
b_line said:
I really think that Milwaukee would be the only projected lottery team that would be willing to trade their pick for a good player or two. I think all the owner of the bucks wants to do is compete for the playoffs, and have a decently entertaining product on the floor. If we could trade them Burks, Kanter and Marvin for their pick and a couple crappy players in return, I think it could really work out.
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I doubt it.... they could be playing illyasova and caron butler and picking up a few wins but they know that this draft is an opportunity that does not come along very often

They aint givin up thier pick........ if anything, they will probably try to lose even harder just to stay in the lead
 
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