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Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by MVP, Nov 28, 2011.
13's about right. 15 would be extraordinary. Really depends on what improvements he can make getting his own shot. Right now, he's not good at it. It will be interesting to see how much development there is in his driving game. That's what I'll be watching on offense from him.
However many he wants to.
I think he has a lot of room to grow. I think with the growth he showed last year and becoming an important part of Corbin's offense, I think he will do nothing but flourish this season. Corbin has confidence in the kid and I think he will be a huge advantage on the outside shot (Which we desperately need.)
It's not at all out of the question to think he can average around 15ppg. Considering by the end of the year he was a lot higher an option then 4th like you say.
Last season CJ averaged almost 13 ppg, AK almost 12ppg, and freaking Raja Bell 8ppg. If the end of the season last year was any indication then he will be playing over all of them plus AK will most likely not even be here.
I think in coach Ty's offense Hayward will have the ball in his hands a lot. He will be our playmaker he seems to no how to draw fouls and gets to the line a lot. He will be our closer. I just hope his inconsistent foul shooting was a rookie thing. I see him having plenty of opportunities to score. I say 20 points a game.
I voted 12-15.
End of last year we also didn't have many people playing either so he was getting more time. If that will translate into this year we will see but I adding Burks into the mix may actually keep it about the same. If AK does re-sign then it will be about the same.
CJ will still get minutes and be in double figures... Bell will get less minutes (Hopefully)... AK probably will be gone (Even though I am for bringing him back for 4-6 Million a year)... Burks, if what everyone is saying, will get minutes... and to top it off Millsap will proabably play some at the 3 if AK isn't back.
I just don't see anyway he scores 15 PPG over the course of the season. You say by the end of the year he was a lot higher than the 4th option right? OK he was maybe the 3rd but that was without Harris, Okur, Favors (Who will be better), Kanter, Burks....
I will put money down if anyone wants to bet me on the 15 PPG.. Im going under all day.
The sky is the limit for Hayward. He did an excellent job of not running plays correctly to piss off D-WILL. That ultimately led to a D-WILL Sloan feud causing Sloan to retire which gave free reign to Hayward to go off for one game against the Lakers. All obstacles have been removed and it's time for him to step up.
It's not that hard to get 15 ppg. Bell did when he was here before. Gordon is the team's best shooter and by far the best wing player. If he's not getting opportunities then we hired the wrong coach.
Hayward will have plenty of opportunities too score. He will be the one with the ball in hand he will run this offense from the sf position he will become the team leader he will at some point be the #1 option he will work the pick and role the curl spot up from three get to the foul line, set up Millsap, Favors, and Jefferson.
I said in another thread, Hayward will be a star for the Jazz.
If Hayward scores 15ppg, it's likely that Favors and/or Burks will have statistically disappointing seasons. That is unless Millsap or someone else is traded. There is only one ball to go around and Jefferson's a black hole, Harris is a scoring point guard of sorts, Millsap and Favors will get their touches, and Burks and Miles certainly aren't afraid to shoot. Add in Kanter, Bell, Okur, and other bench players and I just don't see how Hayward scores 15 ppg unless he's playing 36 minutes a night. Heck, he scored just 5.4 ppg in 15.9 mpg and I don't see everyone else deferring too much more to drive his scoring up. Now, if Millsap or someone else getting major minutes is traded, sure, but otherwise I just don't see it.
Ore he is just another Mike Miller/ Mike Dunleavy. Not saying that is bad, but he will not be a star. If he could actually have his prime be extended versions of the peaks of those two player's careers, I would be stoked.
You got my reasons why I think Hayward will be a star. All you have to offer up is he is just another Miller or Dunleavy, way to bring it. Sounds more the bias opinion that you get from that guy on sports nation on Espn.
from 5.4 to 20 pts a game that would give him most improved player in NBA history award. LMAO...IMHO he will never average anywhere close to 20 pts... not even speaking about his sophomore season.
I have a feeling a lot of people will be eating a lot of crow out of my hands.
Because Hayward will be an all-star at some point.
About 11 this year
Because his game isn't dominant. To be a STAR you have to have a dominant game. He is a spot-up shooter who has the ability to go off the bounce and the IQ to use his strengths to benefit others. He is a glue guy. Hopefully he will turn out to be a really good glue guy (Mike Miller).
I like Hayward as much as the next reasonably intelligent member of Jazzfanz does, but he isn't the 2nd coming of Larry Bird. Also, people want to act like Hayward is a kind of PG stuck in a SF's body. The kid has never averaged over 2 APG in his career. He also isn't that great of rebounder for being 6'8. He only got 4.1 per 36 minutes last year. This guy is going to have to work hard to be as good as Miker Miller was. Let's focus on him becoming a legitimate starter before becoming a star.
If he starts 17ppg; If he comes off the bench 10.5ppg