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How strong is your support for Quin Snyder?

How strong is your support for Quin?

  • Very strong

    Votes: 15 23.1%

  • Strong

    Votes: 20 30.8%

  • Ok with it

    Votes: 18 27.7%

  • Weak

    Votes: 10 15.4%

  • Very weak

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Total voters
    65
I don't blame Quin for players missing open shots. I also don't blame Quin for defensive breakdowns, because it only takes one bad player on the floor to make everyone suck on D. What is Quin's fault is leaving players in the game when they are stinking it up at both ends of the floor.

I like Diaw. I want Diaw to succeed. But we cannot have a PF on the floor that gets only 1 rebound in 25 minutes of play.

Quin use to scream at our point guards to push the ball up the floor. What happened to that? Now we are lucky to score 2 buckets a game off transition. This year, fast breaks are rare events for the team.
 
People keep saying that we are just missing open shots, but are ill-informed. as of a few days ago, Jazz take the 4th most "very-tight" contested shots in the league, and take the 7th fewest "wide open" shots in the league. it isnt a matter of just missing open looks. comparatively, there arent many open looks to miss.
 
jope said:
People keep saying that we are just missing open shots, but are ill-informed. as of a few days ago, Jazz take the 4th most "very-tight" contested shots in the league, and take the 7th fewest "wide open" shots in the league. it isnt a matter of just missing open looks. comparatively, there arent many open looks to miss.
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https://stats.nba.com/league/team/s...=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=0-2 Feet - Very Tight

We are 5th in "very-tight" shots outside 10 feet, but the difference between teams isnt high.

https://stats.nba.com/league/player...=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=0-2 Feet - Very Tight

You also have to factor in we have guys like Rodney Hood who takes "very tight" midrange shots frequently because of his ability to rise over smaller guards in the midrange.

https://stats.nba.com/league/team/s...ange=>=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=4-6 Feet - Open

We are 12th in open shots, which is the stat I put the highest weight in. NBA.com defines "wide open" as having 6+ of space. Having that much space might be a bigger sign that your offense is terrible and your players are getting sagged off of. I'm not concluding that is for certain, but two of the top teams in "wide open shots" are Brooklyn and Philly. There are also great teams who have a large % of these shots, but using the data to prove "good" offense or "bad" offense isnt correct.


https://stats.nba.com/league/team/s...=>=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=6+ Feet - Wide Open

And we arent 18th in wide open shots, not 7th fewest (or 23rd since Jope wants to "glass half empty" everything).

*Please provide links when you try to cite stats*
 
https://stats.nba.com/league/team/s...=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=0-2 Feet - Very Tight

Also when you look at the stats, we are actually a top 3 team in %EFG for both tight and very tight shots. The fact is we have a lot of player who excel at these kind of shots. Our problem currently is just not having a PG, missing one of our most versatile defenders and interior scorers, and not having the added firepower of Burks. That and having to play dudes like Mack, Johnson, and Ingles too many minutes.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
https://stats.nba.com/league/team/s...=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=0-2 Feet - Very Tight

We are 5th in "very-tight" shots outside 10 feet, but the difference between teams isnt high.

https://stats.nba.com/league/player...=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=0-2 Feet - Very Tight

You also have to factor in we have guys like Rodney Hood who takes "very tight" midrange shots frequently because of his ability to rise over smaller guards in the midrange.

https://stats.nba.com/league/team/s...ange=>=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=4-6 Feet - Open

We are 12th in open shots, which is the stat I put the highest weight in. NBA.com defines "wide open" as having 6+ of space. Having that much space might be a bigger sign that your offense is terrible and your players are getting sagged off of. I'm not concluding that is for certain, but two of the top teams in "wide open shots" are Brooklyn and Philly. There are also great teams who have a large % of these shots, but using the data to prove "good" offense or "bad" offense isnt correct.


https://stats.nba.com/league/team/s...=>=10.0&CloseDefDistRange=6+ Feet - Wide Open

And we arent 18th in wide open shots, not 7th fewest (or 23rd since Jope wants to "glass half empty" everything).

*Please provide links when you try to cite stats*
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Those stats were from 2 games ago and of course are subject to change as noted in my post.

And I don't have all day to look at distance or gap breakdowns, i took the numbers in their entirety. some of us have jobs and contribute to society beyond 50,000+ contrarion posts on a forum.

But you gotta get that self worth from somewhere cy. :)
 
JGolds said:
I hear what you are saying, and there is ball movement. However, its not good ball movement.It looks like a play/drill you do in middle school... (Pass the ball 5 times then jack up a low percentage shot)

Maybe the ball isn't bouncing utahs way and these percentages will even out eventually. Currently though, it is Ugly basketball. Hopefully we see change. seeing utah going into to 4th with 12 assist is not good active basketball. Everyone was standing watching the other guy the last 2 games.
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I've been leading that ugly charge from the get go. All I'm saying so far this year is it looks better and more dynamic.

JGolds said:
I would like to see more cuts. the swing cut baseline to baseline, simplest cut in basketball, but it causes a lot of movement and makes the other team have to communicate instead of just sitting back and watching the jazz play hot potato till the timer runs out and we shoot a low percentage mid-range shot or a 27 footer.
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I'm not a fan of Sloan's Floppy in modern NBA. It would have to be modified to get three pointers or layups. Miami did a bit of that with the big 3.

FWIW, Quin is using the bigs for a lot more misdirection play setting. I like watching Gobert on play initiation.
 
jope said:
Those stats were from 2 games ago and of course are subject to change as noted in my post.

And I don't have all day to look at distance or gap breakdowns, i took the numbers in their entirety. some of us have jobs and contribute to society beyond 50,000+ contrarion posts on a forum.

But you gotta get that self worth from somewhere cy. :)
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You just spent 10-20 minutes arguing with me and citing stats. But you cant look them up or think about them in any objective way or link them? Ok.

You also realize you are being the contrarian one here, right? You are the guy who is going against the majority who still support Quin.
 
JGolds said:
I hear what you are saying, and there is ball movement. However, its not good ball movement.It looks like a play/drill you do in middle school... (Pass the ball 5 times then jack up a low percentage shot)

Maybe the ball isn't bouncing utahs way and these percentages will even out eventually. Currently though, it is Ugly basketball. Hopefully we see change. seeing utah going into to 4th with 12 assist is not good active basketball. Everyone was standing watching the other guy the last 2 games.

I would like to see more cuts. the swing cut baseline to baseline, simplest cut in basketball, but it causes a lot of movement and makes the other team have to communicate instead of just sitting back and watching the jazz play hot potato till the timer runs out and we shoot a low percentage mid-range shot or a 27 footer.
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A lot of it still feels like the ball is hitting Mack/Exum and those two just arent good in half-court offense.
 
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