How the Mormons Make Money

[Stoked]

When I was active in the church, I never paid tithing. There are people in the church who feel they are obligated to pay it and then they struggle which I do not agree with. My neighbor for example, great guy, awesome family. They struggle. I feel for him. He pays his tithing. I don't see why he doesn't keep the money to pay some of his bills and provide for his family. I don't believe God would be upset with some one in that position. To each their own.

That right there I have no problem with. I didn't always pay it either. I just have no problem with some who decides it is worth it. I may not agree with it but I respect that he believes in something enough to do that.

 

[Archie Moses]

Rev - if you post offensive material that pertains to a particular religious group and someone negs you for it, then in return you neg them in retaliation, it makes you a hack of epic proportions.


Signed,


The fifth grade tag you're it posse.

 

[franklin]

You are the one person that can teach me something about innovative shopping malls. So, if you got something, I'd love to hear it. But! I don't want the conclusion to come down to some simple statement about the transformation of consuming patterns (I acknowledge this is a possibility, but I want a link to a comprehensive study that shows it... if you can). Nor do I want it to come back to some statement about the centrality of affect and human psychology in the economy (since I already know that, and I see some embrace this as a testament to ignoring true costs of production... cuz that's in our heads too, right?!?).

I didn't know what you were driving at is all. I wrote my post mainly in line with you and OB and thought you may have taken it differently than intended. I was placing general rules on what is required to raise living standards over time (which I thought was inherent to OB's position but expressed as "jobs" rather than advancement). Simply building a retail outlet that accommodates population and consumption growth patterns doesn't do much in the way of raising living standards. There needs to be value added.

As to your true costs of production ideas and requiring endless expansion, I like to say that growth is the nation's false god worshiped in Washington and Wall Street, and is the false idol with the power to mask over many underlying issues. To me though, it's more of a question regarding what we view as valuable than it is about some cap on the expansion of output. We're well underway shifting away from stuff and towards services that don't pressure the earth's resources.

Am I understanding what you're getting at?

 

[NAOS]

I didn't know what you were driving at is all. I wrote my post mainly in line with you and OB and thought you may have taken it differently than intended. I was placing general rules on what is required to raise living standards over time (which I thought was inherent to OB's position but expressed as "jobs" rather than advancement). Simply building a retail outlet that accommodates population and consumption growth patterns doesn't do much in the way of raising living standards. There needs to be value added.

Yes, I understood your post as being mainly in-line with One Brow and myself; you did, however, add some interesting and important complexity to the discussion, so I was wondering if you could apply it specifically to an "innovative mall". I now see more clearly your position re: mall and value.

As to your true costs of production ideas and requiring endless expansion, I like to say that growth is the nation's false god worshiped in Washington and Wall Street, and is the false idol with the power to mask over many underlying issues. To me though, it's more of a question regarding what we view as valuable than it is about some cap on the expansion of output. We're well underway shifting away from stuff and towards services that don't pressure the earth's resources.

Agreed to a certain extent. The disheartening thing is that while the 'overdeveloped' world is shifting as you say, there is, concomitantly, an increased wealth among the very very few as well as fewer BASIC services get to the majority of the world's population. Also, I really don't see environmental destruction slackening nor do I see the political will to change the course we are on.

 

[Scat]

before I launch, would you mind explaining to me what you like about retail employment? thx

Personally or in general?

 

[NAOS]

And... if I'm really pushing things...

The "course we are on" is perhaps best symbolized by a $2bn urban renewal project taking the shape of a shopping mall. Moreover, a mall funded by private interests who, because of the legal protection given to religious groups (which they partially are), don't have to be transparent about their financial makeup.

KABOOM.

 

[Hartsock]

When I was active in the church, I never paid tithing. There are people in the church who feel they are obligated to pay it and then they struggle which I do not agree with. My neighbor for example, great guy, awesome family. They struggle. I feel for him. He pays his tithing. I don't see why he doesn't keep the money to pay some of his bills and provide for his family. I don't believe God would be upset with some one in that position. To each their own.

When you are a full tithe payer the church will be more than willing to help you with any necessary bills and or food for your family. Hell, even if you aren't a full tithe payer they will be more than willing to help. I haven't been to church in 10 years and about a month ago the clutch went out in my car, my neighbor heard about it I was telling him I wasn't sure what I was going to do being that I didn't have $1500 just laying around, he talked to the bishop, a few days later someone came and picked up the car and it was brought back the next day with a brand new clutch installed. I didn't ask for a handout, I was really shocked as to the chain of events but it really was a god send so I could get to work. If the church ever needs me to do something to help someone else I would absolutely go out of my way to help them. Pay it forward.

 

[Hartsock]

And... if I'm really pushing things...

The "course we are on" is perhaps best symbolized by a $2bn urban renewal project taking the shape of a shopping mall. Moreover, a mall funded by private interests who, because of the legal protection given to religious groups (which they partially are), don't have to be transparent about their financial makeup.

KABOOM.

Why do you give a rats dick as to what the LDS church does with their money?

 

[NAOS]

Why do you give a rats dick as to what the LDS church does with their money?

SLC is where I'm from, pal. I spent great years there. You think I like that it looks like the chaste version of a $10 whore?

/ducks for cover

 

[Archie Moses]

As someone who's trying to get back into church, tithing has always been hard for me to pay. Not because I don't believe in paying it and the blessings of paying it, it's just I'm way too selfish with my money.

 

[NAOS]

I was there to complain about the Gateway, which was also a bloody mistake.

 

[Scat]

Is that you Rocky Anderson?