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Oh and immodest clothing

Probably the only reason I would go down there, tbh.

Archie doesn't it seem odd the church has spent more money on a mall then in charitable donations?

Why would it? That's the kind of attitude my 4 year old has; she asks for something, then bitches about how it was done, delivered, or otherwise wasn't what she wanted. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Forget all the GOOD the church does, be ANGRY that they aren't doing MOOOAAAARRRR!!!1

shucks, if only retail jobs in malls were thought provoking and meaningful.

Nobody is being done a favor by having one of those jobs... don't kid yourself.

Right. The owner isn't isn't getting any favors. The owner of the space being leased isn't getting any favors. The company that lent the money to the guy who owns the building, so on, so forth. I'm sure all of those people, and the economy as a whole don't benefit by those jobs. In fact, the world would be much better off if we all just stayed home and collected unemployment. You say plenty of rock-bottom stupid stuff, but you're on a whole new level lately.

@KK:
You are only admitting that you don't have the stones to say what is economically and politically important. Your "anything goes, I'm just a dude" stance is more an admission of weakness and lack of education than it is a REAL POSITION.

Wow.

Pretentious
pre·ten·tious
[pri-ten-shuhs]
adjective
1. full of pretense or pretension.
2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
4. NAOS

Prick
noun
1. the *****. (Usually objectionable.)
2. a stupid or obnoxious male.
3. NAOS

go back to your homoerotic, daddy-meets-son humor with Dalamon.

The fact that you know what that is, or actually thought of it enough to type it out, is disturbing.
 
The Mormon corporation continues to rake in the mass profits and continues to rob its members of 10% of their wealth. I like to consider the justification a man has to make when he chooses between his electric bill and God, and looks out the window at God's mall.

Nobody's forced to pay tithing. The idea is that if people have the faith to pay tithing God will bless them in one way or another.
 
Right. The owner isn't isn't getting any favors. The owner of the space being leased isn't getting any favors. The company that lent the money to the guy who owns the building, so on, so forth. I'm sure all of those people, and the economy as a whole don't benefit by those jobs. In fact, the world would be much better off if we all just stayed home and collected unemployment. You say plenty of rock-bottom stupid stuff, but you're on a whole new level lately.

Yes, clearly you've learned enough about my position to conclude that I'm entirely against every relationship in the production, distribution, and consumption of retail goods. Excellent reading once again.

@KK:
You are only admitting that you don't have the stones to say what is economically and politically important. Your "anything goes, I'm just a dude" stance is more an admission of weakness and lack of education than it is a REAL POSITION.


Wow.

Pretentious
pre·ten·tious
[pri-ten-shuhs]
adjective
1. full of pretense or pretension.
2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
4. NAOS

Prick
noun
1. the *****. (Usually objectionable.)
2. a stupid or obnoxious male.
3. NAOS

Clever stuff here, Trout. It sorta looks like I'm looking at dictionary entries. I stand behind what I said; if you read the entire thread he authored a politically neutered and nihilistic position.


The fact that you know what that is, or actually thought of it enough to type it out, is disturbing.

Awww, I forget you're so sensitive. Sorry, guy.
 
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Trout - going on an on about what a douchebag someone is, then trying to highlight your point by being a douchebag yourself seems counterproductive. Just my .02
 
Trout - going on an on about what a douchebag someone is, then trying to highlight your point by being a douchebag yourself seems counterproductive. Just my .02

Trout is the board's biggest douchebag. People think it's funny... that's why he has a Rep Power of 20+. He didn't get a single one of those fist bumps because of something insightful he said about the Utah Jazz. But, you know this already.
 
Trout is the board's biggest douchebag. People think it's funny... that's why he has a Rep Power of 20+. He didn't get a single one of those fist bumps because of something insightful he said about the Utah Jazz. But, you know this already.

I thought that was from his (alleged) alt accounts.
 
I think it's important to bear in mind that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a different entity than The Corporation of the First Presidency, or what ever other business arms they operate.

The church is broken up into several (a ton actually) separate corporate entities - you are right. This occurred around 1960 under the direction of N. Eldon Tanner and with the legal help of Elder Oaks. It was meant to shield the church from liability and protect its assets. Some of the corporations are for profit, others are non-profit.

However, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is not a corporation at all. It isn't even an actual church or legal entity - it is a trademark.

Your tithes go to the Corp. of the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is a trademark. It is not a church. It is not even a corporation - the name is a trademark owned by Intellectual Reserve Inc. - yet another corporate legal entity owned by "the church." https://www.lds.org/bfs/0a_P13_disclaimera.htm and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Reserve. You belong to a corporation.

If my tithes and offerings were being used for urban renewal, rather than directly for church infrastructure and humanitarian reasons, I'd be pretty pissed. *But (to my knowledge) they aren't.

You will also notice that tithing slips have recently been changed. You may no longer designate how your funds can be used - for the education fund, temples, missionary, etc. The new slips clearly state that from now on it does go into one big fund that can be spent wherever.

The church has specific interest in Salt Lake City and the economic health of downtown. *So, their corporate arm acts on that interest.

The corporation is not the arm of the church - the corporation IS the church. The church is just a name tag worn by the corporation. The "church" is a business propped up by volunteer labor. They have hunting preserves costing thousings of dollars per hunter which feature an airstrip for the rich to land in private planes - these are run by senior missionaries.https://www.deseretnews.com/article/770568/Tending-the-flock.html?pg=all

Bill Gates has donated more to charity and humanitarian relief than our church. And while some in this thread argue for spending billions to build a mall rather than sending it to Africa, even when nobody is building malls anymore, Melinda Gates just pledged over $500MM for contraception for the poor. https://www.chicagotribune.com/heal...tes-melindabre86a1du-20120711,0,2461524.story Aids and pregnancy related deaths are huge problems throughout the world and this will make a huge difference and save many lives. This will undoubtedly do more good for the temporal welfare of God's children than any mall. It will also likely save hundreds and thousands of lives.

You might find all this well and fine. But surely you can understand why others might be critical of the way the Jesus of the new testament has directed his modern day corporations to spend billions on Utah real estate development over the past 6 years and only $1 Billion on charity for the poorest of the poor over the past 30 years throughout the world.

If you truly cannot understand why many outside, and within, our church are critical of our church's financial organization then I don't think there's much else I can add.

Edits-so many errors in original. Hopefully all corrected.
 
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The church is broken up into several (a ton actually) separate corporate entities - you are right. This occurred around 1960 under the durection of N. Eldon Tanner and with the legal help of Elder Oaks. It was meant to shield the church from liability and protect its assets. Some of the corporations are for profit, others are non-profit.

However, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is not a corporation at all. It isn't even an actual church or legal entity - it is a trademark.

Your tithes go to the Corp. of the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is a trademark. It is not a church. It is not even a corporation - the name is a trademark owned by Intellectual Reserve Inc. - yet another corporate legal entity owned by "the church." https://www.lds.org/bfs/0a_P13_disclaimera.htm and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Reserve. You belong to a corporation.



You will also notice that tithing slips have recently been changed. You may no longer designate how your funds can be used - for the education fund, temples, missionary, etc. The new slips clearly state that from now on it does go into one big fund that can be spent wherever.



The corporation is not the arm of the church - the corporation IS the church. The church is just a name tag worn by the corporation. The "church" is a business propped up by volunteer labor. They have hunting preserves costing thousings of dollars per hunter which feature an airstrip for the rich to land in private planes - these are run by senior missionaries.https://www.deseretnews.com/article/770568/Tending-the-flock.html?pg=all

Bill Gates has donated more to charity and humanitarian relief than our church. And while some in this thread argue spending billions to build a mall rather than sending it to Africa, even when nobody is building malls anymore, Melinda Gates just pledged over $500MM for contraception for the poor. https://www.chicagotribune.com/heal...tes-melindabre86a1du-20120711,0,2461524.story Aids and pregnancy related deaths are huge problems throughout the world and this will make a huge difference and save many lives. This will undoubtedly do more good for the temporal welfare of God's children than any mall. It will also likely save hundreds and thousands of lives.

You might find all this well and fine. But surely you can understand why others might be critical of the way the Jesus of the new testament has directed his modern day corporations to spend billions on Utah real estate development over the past 6 years and only $1 Billion on charity for the poorest of the poor over the past 30 years throughout the world.

If you truly cannot understand why many outside, and within, our church are critical of our church's financial organization then I don't think there's much else I can add.

Edits-so many errors in original. Hopefully all corrected.


lolz, what a meydiogre post from Mrs McGoebbels!!
















































Father my children/marry me, seriously. Ill settle for either.
 
Yes, clearly you've learned enough about my position to conclude that I'm entirely against every relationship in the production, distribution, and consumption of retail goods. Excellent reading once again.

Ah, my bad. I swear I thought I read:
shucks, if only retail jobs in malls were thought provoking and meaningful.

Nobody is being done a favor by having one of those jobs... don't kid yourself.
But you have an education and some of us don't, so go easy on us lower lifeforms, okay? Thanks friend.

Clever stuff here, Trout. It sorta looks like I'm looking at dictionary entries. I stand behind what I said; if you read the entire thread he authored a politically neutered and nihilistic position.

Nothing clever about it, really. I was just as shocked as everyone else to see your name come up under those two words.

Awww, I forget you're so sensitive. Sorry, guy.

So says the guy that just can't help but report my posts and private messages... Oh, boooo hoooo... You're a pretentious, narcissistic prick AND a hypocrite -- nice combo, guy. Also, you never followed up on a date for our "face to face" meet n' greet, and I'm getting impatient.

Trout is the board's biggest douchebag. People think it's funny... that's why he has a Rep Power of 20+. He didn't get a single one of those fist bumps because of something insightful he said about the Utah Jazz. But, you know this already.

21, but who's counting, right? Also, you say your second sentence as if it's a bad thing. Yay me for being THAT awesome all without knowing a damn thing about the subject of the forum I visit. I mean, we all have our things we're known for, you just got lucky and are the board cooter.

I thought that was from his (alleged) alt accounts.

Oh, the things the haters come up with. I'm like Fred Durst, yo -- the real motha' ****in' deal, ya'll.

Trout - going on an on about what a douchebag someone is, then trying to highlight your point by being a douchebag yourself seems counterproductive. Just my .02

Oh Bronco, in what way/shape/form have I ever attempted being productive? It's a well known fact that I'm a douchebag and I can proudly accept that. In fact, because I'm so good at it, it allows me to spot fellow douchebags with relative ease. NAOS was practically pink and neon polkadots, screaming for a label -- I just helped out a little. You're welcome, all of you.
 
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