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How the Mormons Make Money
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I'm more handsome.
Here it is. It was not that post alone. It's your persona. I live most of the year in Utah and know the LDS faith pretty dang well. 9 out of 10 of my LDS folks are way cool, down to earth, and overall just great people.
There have been atheists in this thread that I had respectful dialogue with (while some others took offense, I did not). I also had pleasant dialogue with members of various walks of faith. I'm very respectful when it come to religion.
I have no problem with someone telling me they disagree with the way I believe (that there is no god, i.e.). Now, there is one small sub-group that really gets on my nerves. Admittedly, it's a small percentage, but it's the Mormon that gets offended if you make a distinction between Mormonism and being "Christian" .. yet still reserves the right to call the LDS the "One True Church." So I get it, we're both Christian, I'm just a slightly lower life-form. By the way, I have ZERO problem with one believing that, it's your right, and that in of itself is not offensive .. it's just if you believe you're better than sack up and say it, stop mincing your words and just be transparent about what you believe.
This small group of Mormons that come off with the air of repulsive superiority, all the while holding their arms wide and saying, "come join me, we're all just Christians, together", with fingers crossed behind their backs, are exhausting.
We all have a button (see the old 'Pet Peeves' thread) and this is one of mine. And you seem to be one of 'those.' Maybe I'm wrong about you, but you asked my problem, so there it is..
NAOS
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For the record, I'm not an atheist. (If you were talking about me).
Do you think it is possible to be too respectful?
I do. If your being respectful means cowing to a set of standards that you find oppressive, then I think it is fine to let them be seen as a mockery. I wouldn't expect that you would find religion to be a topic in which to be "dis"respectful, since it is, by and large, a Judeo-Christian standard of respect, but are there other topics/issues? Curious.
Do you think it is possible to be too respectful?
I do. If your being respectful means cowing to a set of standards that you find oppressive, then I think it is fine to let them be seen as a mockery. I wouldn't expect that you would find religion to be a topic in which to be "dis"respectful, since it is, by and large, a Judeo-Christian standard of respect, but are there other topics/issues? Curious.
Good question. I perceive religious tolerance to be a strength rather than a weakness. Respect of another's belief system is evidence of one's own confidence in his/her beliefs, at least it is in my own experience. Therefore my definition of being respectful toward others is out of strength and thereby cannot be 'too' respectful.
I believe what you have asked is whether I feel it's ever okay to disagree with (even vehemently, if need be) other's actions and/or beliefs. I do, definitely, but I feel too many pull the trigger too soon. We all err in this regard, I certainly do, but as a principle characteristic of simply being a good person, one should show patience, kindness, and the other good fruits as much as they possibly can .. being slow to anger.
Probably said too many words to answer your question..
^^^ Oops, lost my train of thought. Yes, of course I believe there are other topics ..
physical handicaps
mental handicaps (not of the Trout variety, for example, those are fair game)
Race
Many, many others .. Generally, I think about anything is in bounds when said either in jest or with respect .. most everything is out of bounds if you are truly just trying to be an *** .. and nothing more.
physical handicaps
mental handicaps (not of the Trout variety, for example, those are fair game)
Race
Many, many others .. Generally, I think about anything is in bounds when said either in jest or with respect .. most everything is out of bounds if you are truly just trying to be an *** .. and nothing more.
CONAN
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Agreed.
I was about to type that it's more of a discernment thing, but then proceed to cite the areas you requested. So I actually took my time to re-read this thread (embarrassing, but I admit it).
Afterwards, I realized the following;
- I had formed an opinion of you (whether right or wrong) that you were one of 'those' Mormon that I outlined above.
- When you said that Mormons gave up cigs long before they were deemed unhealthy, that, for whatever reason, ticked me off as being a Mormon elitist.
- After re-reading, I admit I jumped the gun.
- Everything from there was just your response to me having jumped the gun.
Regardless of 'who' you are and what you stand for, I agree that this one was on me .. no matter why I went off, I did.
My apologies.
CONAN
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Sweet. Like I said, I have no finesse or tact or whatever you want to call it. But I'm not elitist (at least not in this context).
The thing with smoking was to illustrate the idea of obedience sometimes without knowing why. Not that the LDS Church knew something no one else did. Along those lines much of the Word of Wisdom I still don't understand (like coffee). But I don't do it out of obedience.
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green
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I love it when people bang on the Mormon church for saving their money, being thrifty, and then obtaining wealth. Instead of sitting around whining about it, why don't we all look at what they have done and try to emulate it?
Oh, that would require sacrifice, work, and patience.
Oh, that would require sacrifice, work, and patience.
I have a sneaky suspicion that NAOS' response would be much more in depth and pithy than what you and I have agreed upon.
So you two will get a room and NAOS will be left outside, in the cold, reading a "Do Not Disturb" sign, I presume?