I can see it now, eh?

[One Brow]

Yeah, I did. Even if I didn't, so what? "I won't tolerate X" is the point. "I won't tolerate X, because..." doesn't change the point.

Yet, you have so far not supported the notion that every idea should be tolerated, no matter what.

But, either way, I quoted your stated reason ("because").

Your use of selective quoting and ignoring clarifications actually means you have not.

Yeah, I did. No wonder we can't understand each other. I say sumthin, you claim I never said it. Do you just respond wthout readin, that it?

No, I read and regularly research in response to you.

Still, I acknowledge it's possible that I missed the part where you described why TroutBum's sexual pratices would be relevant to whether the comment was homophobic. All I saw was "Who knows if a poster's intentions matter at all?" Troutbum's intentions are not the same as his sexual orientation. Since you have now said that you don't know if it is the least bit relevant, I accept that you don't know.

Unless intended meaning were completely irrelevant and the very WORD, all by itself, was deemed an insult (which seems to be EXACTLY how some people think), why WOULDN'T it be relevant.

Relevance needs to be demonstrated, not assumed.

I have heard it claimed that is a "slur" to refer to blacks as "colored people." If such a claim is made, do you think it might be revelvant if the speaker were the head of the NAACP? I know you if say "colored people" is a slur, then you can't even begin to conceive that it could EVER NOT be a slur, but try hard, eh?

Yet, outside of the name of the organization, you don't hear the leader of the NAACP use the phrase. If he did, I expect there would be any number of people who examined the usage very closely to see what he was trying to say, but the assumption would be that it was negative.

Champions of a group often want to adopt a "there aint no difference between" dogma with a devotion so pronounced that it just becomes plumb stupid, eh?

I have heard much more from champions proclaiming that the differences between groups are valuable for an employer or a government, and that employers who can see past the differences can reap the benefits.

 

[Hopper]

Yet, outside of the name of the organization, you don't hear the leader of the NAACP use the phrase. If he did, I expect there would be any number of people who examined the usage very closely to see what he was trying to say, but the assumption would be that it was negative.

Really? Who would assume such a thing?

 

[TheItinerantSon]

I pledge $10 to the therapy for Hopper fund.

Come on guys pony up - its an important cause.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

I pledge $10 to the therapy for Hopper fund.

Come on guys pony up - its an important cause.

Seems the anti-hopper people are the ones that need therapy...

Whiny bitches, the lot of 'em.

 

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Really? Who would assume such a thing?

I don't have a list of names handy.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

I don't have a list of names handy.

Cross off the people who done made "For Colored Girls." If they was on yer list ta begin with that is.

 

[Hopper]

I know plenty of blacks, especially more elderly ones, but not them exclusively, who routinely refer to themselves and others as "colored." Newsflash: They don't see it as no slur. Like, whooda thunk, I ax ya?

On the other hand, they was a time, not far back, when it was deemed offensive to describe a person of the negroid persuasion as "black."

Blacks often use the word "******" (more properly "*****") as a term of affection, endearment, and praise. Same with gays and "queer." But no matter who says it, it's an insult, I figure. Why? Because that's what I think, and my thoughts set the standard for all, caincha see?

Mebbe I done said that wrong. My thoughts don't set no standards, truth does, and all my thoughts are universally true, that's all.

 

[One Brow]

I know plenty of blacks, especially more elderly ones, but not them exclusively, who routinely refer to themselves and others as "colored." Newsflash: They don't see it as no slur. Like, whooda thunk, I ax ya?

No argument there. Often the impression of meaning varies by age, among other things. The people I grew up with saw it differently.

Blacks often use the word "******" (more properly "*****") as a term of affection, endearment, and praise. Same with gays and "queer." But no matter who says it, it's an insult, I figure. Why? Because that's what I think, and my thoughts set the standard for all, caincha see?

People often use the word "dummy" or "stupid" as a term of affection and endearment among friends. So, I figure that when a person calls you stupid, you don't think you are being insulted, right?

By the way, how many of those same "blacks" who use ***** "positively" do you think see ***** as a term of affection, endearment, or praise when it's used by a person who is not "black"? For that matter, how many of the older people like hearing "colored" from someone who is not "black"? If words have only one meaning, maybe the point isn't that ***** is not an insult, but that it is an insult being used among friends. Perhaps you just don't understand enough to see that.

 

[Hopper]

By the way, how many of those same "blacks" who use ***** "positively" do you think see ***** as a term of affection, endearment, or praise when it's used by a person who is not "black"? .

How could that be even remotely relevant?

Why would TroutBum's sexuality be even remotely relevant?

 

[C l u t c H 385]

How could that be even remotely relevant?

biggity bam.

 

[Hopper]

I can see it now, eh?

Mod: Last night I heard a rooster crow at dusk instead of dawn.

Poster: That's kinda queer.

Mod: I'm giving you an infraction for homophobic comments. Wanna go for two?

 

[One Brow]

How could that be even remotely relevant?

I offered an explanation in that paragraph.