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I just want someone to help me make sense out of Utah liquor laws.

Any one seen the movie SLC Punk with Matthew Lillard, that movie makes a perfect explanation of the idiocy of the liquor laws in Utah.

Here's one for kicky,

In that wiki of dry communities, you have individual cities which have gone against the precedent set by individual counties. (i.e. damp village, moist village, dry village laws in Alaska). How come the largely Democratic and non-LDS, Salt Lake County Legislature can't simply make a new law that better represents the ideals of their constituency, without extending to the rest of the state?
 
I just read yesterday that they are going to close 13 liquor stores in the state of Utah due to cut backs in government spending. It also says that they asked the liquor stores to cut 1.6 Million off of their budget last year and will ask for more this year. All of this despite the fact that the liquor stores in Utah added over 100 Million dollars of profit to the states income last year.

So my question is why the **** are they not building more liquor stores instead of closing them down? Good hell the leaders of this state are idiots.
 
Mormons are taught to not drink alcohol.

Most of the state's lawmakers are Mormon.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo why would the state's liquor laws make sense?

Here's a Mormon that thinks a lot of the state's laws are overbearing and lack common sense. But then again, I'm not running for public office on how much more conservatier and Mormonier I can be than the other guy...
 
Some of you need to get with the program.

Why do the shopping of anything other than jello here in Utah? Go to Wyoming where everything is better (and easier). Beer, smokes, fireworks, maybe love...
 
The-Joker said:
Any one seen the movie SLC Punk with Matthew Lillard, that movie makes a perfect explanation of the idiocy of the liquor laws in Utah.

Here's one for kicky,

In that wiki of dry communities, you have individual cities which have gone against the precedent set by individual counties. (i.e. damp village, moist village, dry village laws in Alaska). How come the largely Democratic and non-LDS, Salt Lake County Legislature can't simply make a new law that better represents the ideals of their constituency, without extending to the rest of the state?
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Those lesser exceptions have to do with specific rules worked out by those counties allowing certain cities to decide for themselves to remain "wet."

As a general rule counties have less control over cities than states do. It's doubtful that a city or county could underrule what I presume are state laws.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Those lesser exceptions have to do with specific rules worked out by those counties allowing certain cities to decide for themselves to remain "wet."

As a general rule counties have less control over cities than states do. It's doubtful that a city or county could underrule what I presume are state laws.
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But are Salt Lake County or Salt Lake City able to legally circumvent such state filters, or are there actual road blocks in place? Or is it just inferred?
 
The-Joker said:
But are Salt Lake County or Salt Lake City able to legally circumvent such state filters, or are there actual road blocks in place? Or is it just inferred?
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I'd have to do some specific research to find out. I don't know, for example, all the details about the relationships that Utah has with its counties.
 
gregbroncs said:
I just read yesterday that they are going to close 13 liquor stores in the state of Utah due to cut backs in government spending. It also says that they asked the liquor stores to cut 1.6 Million off of their budget last year and will ask for more this year. All of this despite the fact that the liquor stores in Utah added over 100 Million dollars of profit to the states income last year.

So my question is why the **** are they not building more liquor stores instead of closing them down? Good hell the leaders of this state are idiots.
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What really gets me is that in a state that has a large population that rejects the consumption of alcohol, they chose to sell alcohol in the name of the people at the state run liquor store. There's "free agency" in which bad people can chose to do bad things (like run a liquor store, or buy liquor) and then there's peddling a product you think is evil. If you allow a private citizen to open a privately owned liquor store your hands are clean, if you forbid that and decide to monopolize the state's liquor industry you should accept your role in every alcohol-influenced activity that takes place.

If my kid were to go out and try drugs on his own I would do what I could to stop it and have nothing to do with it. If I followed Utah's logic I would control his drug supply and make up silly rules about when where why and how he could use them, but I would still allow him to use them.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'd have to do some specific research to find out. I don't know, for example, all the details about the relationships that Utah has with its counties.
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Right, I imagine it is similar to the laws in place that prevent San Francisco city from legalizing gay marriage.
 
UB said:
Buy good beer at the liquor store. The Devastator is the best thing to come out of Utah since Cytherea.
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That beer has the worst aftertaste of any I can think of. But it will definitely get you hammered if you're not paying attention to volume.

YB85 said:
I enjoy paying $12+ for a 6 pack of beer.
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Don't visit Wyoming then. The beer prices up there are astronomical. I've asked around a few times and they think they have to compensate for the 37.5% higher content with over 50% higher prices. I guess two table spoons extra sugar really kills a brewery's bottom line.
 
Drinking is up, WAY UP!

And before anyone says anything, I'm not contributing to the statistical increase because I make at least 90% of the beer I drink.

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55177420-79/liquor-percent-gallons-utah.html.csp?page=1

In a state known for its teetotalers, imbibing is on the upswing in Utah — with drinkers downing nearly a third more liquor than they did six years ago.
Although key members of the Mormon-dominated Legislature for years have tried to control consumption by restricting the number of alcohol licenses available to restaurants, bars and clubs, an inevitable demographic change and the push for more economic development could help reshape that longtime policy.
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Just want to appeal for sanity on this issue once again.
 
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My dreams died a little a while back when I realized I could never open a pub and serve Real Ale (https://www.camra.org.uk/aboutale) from a cask because there is a 4%abv limit on beer served from a tap (except in my basement...suck on that Sen. Valentine) so many of the styles I'd want to serve would have to be served from a bottle. The saddest part for me is I'd want to serve a 4.5% porter and a 5.5% pale ale, so nothing crazy by any means. Beer at 4% is perfectly fine for many styles, but does not fit for many other styles. I like bigger bodied, malty beers and in order to support that extra body and flavor you need a little more alcohol to balance it all out. The kick in the pants is that heavier beers are not at all well suited for pounding one after another. If you want to get **** faced drinking beer you're gonna wanna go for a light lager (bud light) so you can drink non-stop without getting full or tasting anything. Very few people would go to a bar and spend $6-$7 a pint on traditional English style ales and down more than 2-3 over the course of an evening. This is yet another example of a law that certainly doesn't accomplish what it intends and may very well accomplish the opposite.
 
Gameface said:
My dreams died a little a while back when I realized I could never open a pub and serve Real Ale (https://www.camra.org.uk/aboutale) from a cask because there is a 4%abv limit on beer served from a tap (except in my basement...suck on that Sen. Valentine) so many of the styles I'd want to serve would have to be served from a bottle. The saddest part for me is I'd want to serve a 4.5% porter and a 5.5% pale ale, so nothing crazy by any means. Beer at 4% is perfectly fine for many styles, but does not fit for many other styles. I like bigger bodied, malty beers and in order to support that extra body and flavor you need a little more alcohol to balance it all out. The kick in the pants is that heavier beers are not at all well suited for pounding one after another. If you want to get **** faced drinking beer you're gonna wanna go for a light lager (bud light) so you can drink non-stop without getting full or tasting anything. Very few people would go to a bar and spend $6-$7 a pint on traditional English style ales and down more than 2-3 over the course of an evening. This is yet another example of a law that certainly doesn't accomplish what it intends and may very well accomplish the opposite.
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Damn... now I really want to try your beer!
 
Scat said:
Damn... now I really want to try your beer!
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I think they've always wanted to create more alcoholics or something. I can go to Vegas, drink a 6 pack, and be completely plastered. Then you come back to Utah, drink the same 6 pack, and still need another 6 to equal what you drank in Vegas.
Then if you drink like I do, you start hitting the bottle because it becomes too expensive to throw down 6 or 7 beers a night.
It doesn't make much sense other than to sell more beer and liquor, which I'm sure they don't mind doing.
 
Gameface said:
Is there a good reason why I can't purchase a keg of beer?

Is there a good reason why I can't order a double jack and coke?

Is there a good reason why I can't purchase a mini-bottle?

Is there a good reason why wine coolers are only sold at the liquor store?

Is there a good reason why beer is limited to 3.2% abw (4% abv)?

Does this make any sense?


I like to say liquor laws in Utah are like gun laws in D.C., they are made by people who consider the item evil and unnecessary and who don't know anything about them.
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most laws are senseless.
so you cant make sense of them
lawmakers are retarded.
and want to ruin your live
 
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