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I was thinking about it the other day...

What about the prayers of the faithful changing the hearts of the sinners, and securing blessings from God for the sinners? Maybe if we all start praying for satan, then he will change, and it will be easier to not look at porn because we aren't so tempted.
 
"Angels are in sinless glory, they don't need our prayers. Demons are already in the clutches of eternal damnation, they're beyond our prayers."
 
Howard said:
"Angels are in sinless glory, they don't need our prayers. Demons are already in the clutches of eternal damnation, they're beyond our prayers."
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Is this from your brother?

Is Lucifer technically considered a demon? How does one become a "demon"? I would assume that child rapists and serial killers would fall into the "clutches of eternal damnation" as well, but I'm pretty sure we're still taught to pray for them, right?

Also, if my human brother was somehow turned into the vilest scumbag the Universe has ever known, I'm still going to pray for his ***, and I'd still have faith that it could help. Lucifer is our brother, right? Why wouldn't we? I don't know if I like the idea of scripture saying, "Um, that guy is just too bad -- don't waste your time on him" -- that doesn't seem right.
 
TroutBum said:
Is this from your brother?

Is Lucifer technically considered a demon? How does one become a "demon"? I would assume that child rapists and serial killers would fall into the "clutches of eternal damnation" as well, but I'm pretty sure we're still taught to pray for them, right?

Also, if my human brother was somehow turned into the vilest scumbag the Universe has ever known, I'm still going to pray for his ***, and I'd still have faith that it could help. Lucifer is our brother, right? Why wouldn't we? I don't know if I like the idea of scripture saying, "Um, that guy is just too bad -- don't waste your time on him" -- that doesn't seem right.
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Demons are fallen angels. Angels and demons are already in Heaven/Hell.

Myself, you, your rapist brother, we are not in Heaven or Hell yet. Thus we pray for eachother. Once you are in Heaven, nothing can remove you. You are a holy, perfect being. Once you are in Hell, nothing can remove you. Our prayers cannot save them. They will not change them. It's not that they are too bad, it's that they are already gone, their chance is gone. Does that make sense? Basically, people on Earth still have the ability to make a choice, to change, spirits/beings beyond Earth do not. That's why this life we live matters so much.
 
Howard said:
Demons are fallen angels. Angels and demons are already in Heaven/Hell.

Myself, you, your rapist brother, we are not in Heaven or Hell yet. Thus we pray for eachother. Once you are in Heaven, nothing can remove you. You are a holy, perfect being. Once you are in Hell, nothing can remove you. Our prayers cannot save them. They will not change them. It's not that they are too bad, it's that they are already gone, their chance is gone. Does that make sense? Basically, people on Earth still have the ability to make a choice, to change, spirits/beings beyond Earth do not. That's why this life we live matters so much.
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So be sure to pay your tithing!

Satan is essentially a being that has been led to become an evil entity by God. He is powerful enough to make us want to steal that candy bar from Smith's. And he WANTS you to do that, so bad. It's his natural high. But at the same time, he has been lobotomized by the will of God, he can't tell that he is merely playing a role, even though everyone else knows. So you see, Satan is rather complex. In many ways, I think, you know, he sounds really simplistic and almost as cartoonish as Sauron. But then, I forget what I was thinking about. :)

- Craig
 
TroutBum said:
So at least we've had the Athiest/Agnostic POV -- I'd like to know Colton's thoughts, and maybe, (dear Gods, help me) babe's...
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how'd I ever miss this invitation?

I've never felt inclined to pray for Lucifer, Satan, or any of his minions, and I keep my prayers silent hoping none of the evil minions hear what I say. . . well, when it matters, let's say.

I do pray for my hapless guardian angels who are unmercifully assigned to follow me around and keep track of everything I say.
 
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