Ideal Lineup (Based on everything up to now)

[colton]

Nerd fact of the day: with 13 players on the roster, there are actually 1287 different lineups that Ty could choose from. ( 1287=13!/(5!8!) )

Need to factor in positions

Oh, you want to make things complicated, do you?

I'm up for the challenge. Let's say the Jazz have 3 PG (Harris, Tinsley, Watson), 5 "Wings" (Bell, Burks, Hayward, Howard, and Miles), and 5 "Bigs" (Evans, Favors, Jefferson, Kanter, and Millsap), and that Corbin has to pick 1 PG, 2 Wings, and 2 Bigs for each lineup.

In that case, he has exactly 300 different lineups he can choose from. ( 300 = (3 choose 1) * (5 choose 2) * (5 choose 2) , where "a choose b" = a!/(b!(a-b)!) )

One could make things even more complicated, by saying for example Evans can play SF or PF, but not SG or C. In that case you get only 210 different lineups. (Not going to show work for this one unless anyone really cares.)

Boo-yah!

 

[Stoked]

CJ could probably be a Kobe if he had the work ethic.

And he was mentally tough. His problem in my opinion is all mental.

 

[mtnbayou]

Because Favors + Jefferson is probably the best 4-5 combination, and because Millsap is a bit short against most starting bigs.

More of this "he isn`t the exact height of the opposing player, so he must suck" garbage. Inserting Millsap for either Favors or Al would be an upgrade. Unless your not watching the games.

 

[gregbroncs]

More of this "he isn`t the exact height of the opposing player, so he must suck" garbage. Inserting Millsap for either Favors or Al would be an upgrade. Unless your not watching the games.

I think you are the one missing the games. As soon as Millsap comes in for Favors the opponents 4/5 goes off on offense. Gasol and then Nene. Nene took over the game as soon as Favors picked up his 2nd foul. Favors needs to learn to play defense without fouling and Millsap and Jefferson need to stay off the floor at the same time. I don't care if Millsap or Jefferson start but they need to be the subs for each other.

 

[colton]

Oh, you want to make things complicated, do you?

I'm up for the challenge. Let's say the Jazz have 3 PG (Harris, Tinsley, Watson), 5 "Wings" (Bell, Burks, Hayward, Howard, and Miles), and 5 "Bigs" (Evans, Favors, Jefferson, Kanter, and Millsap), and that Corbin has to pick 1 PG, 2 Wings, and 2 Bigs for each lineup.

In that case, he has exactly 300 different lineups he can choose from. ( 300 = (3 choose 1) * (5 choose 2) * (5 choose 2) , where "a choose b" = a!/(b!(a-b)!) )

One could make things even more complicated, by saying for example Evans can play SF or PF, but not SG or C. In that case you get only 210 different lineups. (Not going to show work for this one unless anyone really cares.)

Boo-yah!

Oh, come on... *someone's* got to give me rep for this!

 

[northeast]

Colton, I would be curious to see the second equation.

 

[colton]

Colton, I would be curious to see the second equation.

Sure.

Oh, dang, as I was writing this up, I just realized I did it wrong--I left out the third term below. The correct answer is 390 lineups if Evans can play SF or PF, but not SG or C:

#lineups with Evans as SF = (3 choose 1) * (5 choose 1 (because one of the wing slots is taken) )* (4 choose 2 (because only 4 "bigs" left) ) = 90
#lineups with Evans as PF = (3 choose 1) * (5 choose 2) * (4 choose 1 (because one of the big slots is taken, and only 4 bigs left) ) = 120
#lineups without Evans = (3 choose 1) * (5 choose 2) * (4 choose 2) = 180

total #lineups = sum of the three terms = 390.

 

[Guitaro]

I love how everyone is suddenly jumping on Burks. His whole stat line essentially came in garbage minutes.

I'm not too worried about stats at this point. I'm looking for fearless aggressors who have the talent to go along with it. Burks just makes things happen. He's a SG who isn't afraid to shoot. He isn't afraid to attack their defense. He's usually always moving and providing energy. The 15 points in like 10 minutes just shows how much of a pace change he was once he got in the game. The Jazz were playing slow and uninspired until he came in. Doesn't matter if it's garbage minutes or not.

 

[northeast]

Interesting, thank you.

 

[Guitaro]

I like the majority of what you said but I would have Hayward as the SG and move Burks to the PG. I think Burks can be a PG in this league. He will make mistakes but he could be very good if Corbin unleashes him. One thing I really notice, Hayward is not a SF, he is a shooting guard. He can play the SF against certain teams but not against bigger opponents.

I am done with CJ. I have been patient for too long. I don't care if he goes off for 30 pts. in the next game. I am just sick of his inconsistency. Bell should NOT start!!! He was a borderline starter in his prime. He is more of a specialists than a starter. Now that he is old he can't defend and rarely is productive on the offensive end.

I am done with Harris too. If I hear one more time how quick he is I think I am going to go nuts!!! The guy has no clue how to run an offense. It is time either AJ or Millsap goes the Jazz do not need both. I prefer Millsap over AJ so let's see if the Jazz can make a deal for an actual SF and picks.

I actually agree with Burks at PG. However, with the 3 veteran PG's we already have, it's not going to happen. We would have to make a trade first to open up the minutes for him. Although, I suspect either later in the year or perhaps maybe next year, he'll be getting more PG minutes.

As for CJ, I can go either way with him. We don't have many consistent shooters on this team anymore. Believe it or not, CJ is actually one of our best shooters on the roster. It'll be hard for the Jazz to trade him unless they bring back a shooter somehow.

Harris would make a good backup PG, to change the pace and style, but I'm afraid his lack of intensity and size of contract make him a tougher option to keep. His contract will make him hard to move, too. I hope, with enough criticism from the fans, that he will be motivated to focus and show us why we traded for him; same with the other Jazz players.


EDIT: Actually, during the Denver game, I did notice that Burks initiated the offense a couple times. I also noticed guys were giving him the ball to bring it up the court until Tinsley came back to get it from Burks. This adds to why I like Tinsley. His ego doesn't seem to care who brings the ball up as long as the offense is working. He just plays and works well with Burks. PG position is just so hard to learn so early. That's why I say use him at SG for now.

 

[Guitaro]

I nowhere near ready to give Burks the nod. He played pretty well in garbage minutes last night. That proves nothing. His floor time during the Lakers was embarrassing. I do think he needs to see the floor more. Ty is definitely riding him harder than the others; I think Ty has high expectations and is making a point because Alec is his "man".

As for Bell, I have no problem with him starting, but his minutes need to be cut. He gets tired fast in his old age, he should set an aggressive tone in the first 5 of the game, then see spot minutes for the duration.

Tinsley....no thanks.

Hayward needs to start. He'll get better with every game. Keep his confidence high.

I agree on Millsap and Favors starting.

The only reason Tinsley isn't starting is because he wasn't here last year and he missed part of training camp because of the flu. His background isn't as big a deal; especially if his play on the court helps people forget.

Hayward is a smart player. Sometimes, smart players can over-think the game and psyche themselves out. This is only his second year. I think by coming off the bench, he'll see a little better how teams adjust to the Jazz and what defense they're playing, etc. Also, starting puts more pressure on guys to perform. He's not quite ready for that yet. Although, Howard is so new with the team that he's not quite ready yet either. However, his experience in the league gives him a big advantage. Maybe since Corbin moved Favors to the bench and Millsap to the starting lineup, that guys will step up their games a bit more--from fear.

 

[Guitaro]

really good post, but CJ "Still pretty young but needs time" are you kidding me bro?

How long has he been in the league?

It's one of those man-child situations. Although, he's pretty unique. Yes, he's been in the league for several years. However, he's still a big kid in the head. Guys like him take much longer to develop a killer instinct. Some guys have it from the start (Kobe, Deron, etc). That's the real problem with CJ. It's not that he's old or lacks the talent. CJ just lacks that mature killer instinct. You'll notice when he does have it. He usually has a great game that day. That's really all it boils down to.

Killer instinct = Great focus + never giving up = Elite intensity.