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If anyone cares, Big D visits Utah. 7 PM MST. 3/12/14.

Tarkanian said:
8-18 shooting for a total 20 points is inefficient.
4-12 is plain bad (=Burks)

edit: besides, I dislike the idea that their best PG is a ballhog! Burks on the other hand is da man! He has been huge this season.
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One of burks attempts was from half court at the buzzer btw
 
To the points per shot people, which player was more efficient?:

Player A: 0-3 FG, 5-8 FT, 4 turnovers: 11 possessions used, 5 points; 1.67 points per shot, 0.45 points per possession, .383 TS

Player B: 3-5 FG, 1-2 3PT, 0-0 FT,0 turnovers: 5 possessions used, 7 points; 1.4 points per shot, 1.4 points per possession, .700 TS

Points per shot is ****ing stupid. When you draw a shooting foul, you burn a possession, just like when you take a shot. Even if you ignore turnovers and shot context, there are much better metrics.
 
GVC said:
To the points per shot people, which player was more efficient?:

Player A: 0-3 FG, 5-8 FT, 4 turnovers: 11 possessions used, 5 points; 1.67 points per shot, 0.45 points per possession, .383 TS

Player B: 3-5 FG, 1-2 3PT, 0-0 FT,0 turnovers: 5 possessions used, 7 points; 1.4 points per shot, 1.4 points per possession, .700 TS

Points per shot is ****ing stupid. When you draw a shooting foul, you burn a possession, just like when you take a shot. Even if you ignore turnovers and shot context, there are much better metrics.
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So its not perfect for sure, but i would rather have a player score 20 points on 10 shots than 20 points on 20 shots if they have the same amount of turnovers, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals etc.

What if player A shoots 10 for 10 from the field and goes 5-5 from the line for 25 pts..... player B goes 10 for 20 and 0-0 from the line for 20 pts.
Which is better?
Sometimes PPS can show that a player was efficient with thier possesions. I like efficient players.

Sometimes it wont mean much, but other times it will. Just like almost every stat that exists.

Blocks are dumb because a guy could have lots of blocks but still get beat alot.
steals are dumb because a guy could be playing to risky to get the steals and get beat alot.
assists are dumb because a guy could just be making pedestrian passes and teammates hitting shots.
Per is dumb.
stats are dumb.
 
fishonjazz said:
So its not perfect for sure, but i would rather have a player score 20 points on 10 shots than 20 points on 20 shots if they have the same amount of turnovers, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals etc.
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In other words, you're sticking with the stupid stat, when you can just add free throw attempts/2 to the "shots" denominator and get a better one. Why? Raw field goal percentage is just as useful as points per shot.
 
GVC said:
Raw field goal percentage is just as useful as points per shot.
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I agree. Both raw field goal percentage and pps can be useful
 
GVC said:
PPS is useless. It's for stupid people.
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A better, more efficient way to interact with other people would be to say something like "i dont like pps stat, i prefer (fill in the blank) instead"
 
8-18 is one shot from being 50 percent so it isn't as bad as people make it sound. I guess part of the issue is that it is the PG and he should be passing more but it isn't 3-15.
 
cowhide said:
8-18 is one shot from being 50 percent so it isn't as bad as people make it sound. I guess part of the issue is that it is the PG and he should be passing more but it isn't 3-15.
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Yes, he should be looking for his teammates shot more than he looks for his own.

Let's be honest, last night was an above average night for Burke.

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GVC said:
To the points per shot people, which player was more efficient?:

Player A: 0-3 FG, 5-8 FT, 4 turnovers: 11 possessions used, 5 points; 1.67 points per shot, 0.45 points per possession, .383 TS

Player B: 3-5 FG, 1-2 3PT, 0-0 FT,0 turnovers: 5 possessions used, 7 points; 1.4 points per shot, 1.4 points per possession, .700 TS

Points per shot is ****ing stupid. When you draw a shooting foul, you burn a possession, just like when you take a shot. Even if you ignore turnovers and shot context, there are much better metrics.
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Drawing a foul is the best thing you can do with a possession.
 
GVC, you're fighting a losing battle. Matt Harpring has spent the last three years telling us how important it is to score impossible amounts of points per shot. Personally, I don't even look at a guy who scores less than 3 points per shot.

If I played in the NBA, I would never take a shot that wasn't a free throw. I would go down as the most efficient scorer to ever play the game. Infinity points per shot.
 
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