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If Hayward left, or were traded.

Stifle Tower said:
Hayward walking is worse than getting the 60th pick in the 2035 draft. I've been scouting the newborn units at the hospital and the prospects, though raw, seem promising. The crop just keeps increasing year over year! At least get SOMETHING if he starts to give off the DWill attitude!
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When I started posting here I said my theory is the draftee's are getting better/more talented at a younger age, every year, and I stand by that. It's totally true, and a result of good old fashioned competition -- This theory is only rejected by older folks hopped up on nostalgia..

If you think Hayward is a better prospect than some of the players coming thru the pipelines, so be it. I don't. "


I also question just where he stacks up in the hierarchy of wings in the West, Kahwi Leonard certainly disrupts his flow/game with relative ease... The Warriors found Dragoon on the scrap heap in the 2nd round, and they value him probably just how the Jazz value Hayward.. Is paying Hayward an enormous chunk of the cap really gonna help them overtake GS?? I say no.


I've also been saying for quite some time that I believe that Brandon Ingram in this draft is a better prospect than Hayward, most will agree Ben Simmons is a better prospect than Hayward too.

In 2017 Josh Jackson projects to be a way better prospect than Hayward, I say - Why settle for that while mired in 500:1 to win the Chip odds, hate on my style all you want, I'm just scanning the radars for upgrades -- Which is something y'all will be wishing the Jazz would've done, if they take an easy way out, and it doesn't yield explosive results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xotjmuCfBPk

In 2018 Jarred Vanderbilt projects to be a better player than Hayward, John Petty's probably a better prospect too, and certainly Michael Porter Jr is..
 
fishonjazz said:
This is the biggest flaw in Haywards game imo. It never looks easy when he drives into the paint. Never smooth. He is always slogging through traffic crashing into everyone... Amazingly he is still effective at it
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He is. And I don't intend to minimize his impact upon games. It's actually quite impressive that he has added the strength and bulk necessary to plow through NBA defenses. But ultimately, I think it'll wear him out.
 
I should say that I don't really care if players want to be in Utah. I am far more concerned with chemistry, BBIQ, and fiscal viability. Winning solves most of those other issues, and I think we have a great coach who will develop any players we get.

I think the Jazz will go over the cap if it means fielding a contender. But the mix of players has to be right for that to happen. Right now, I think the Jazz are economically imbalanced towards the frontcourt and the wing. We need a solid point guard if we are to compete with a league that is loaded with quality play at that position, and our payroll projects to be dominated by Hayward, Gobert, and Favors.

Exum's length and first step bode well for our future, but we don't really know what we have in him. To improve the play at that spot, we need more talent at that position. Additionally, if we lost one of our wings to a trade, Exum could capably step into the 2 spot.

With Hood's emergence as a not-quite-as-good (yet) complement to Hayward, I think we are encountering some redundancy on the wing. It will be interesting to see how they play together the rest of the way. But I don't think Hayward's trade value will ever be higher.
 
NAOS said:
Hayward's game will age nicely. I think that's fairly obvious.
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I hope you're right. I think the front office loves him, and there is a very tough quality to his game. If the Jazz do invest in him, it will be important for him to have enough energy and health to perform in the post-season.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
I hope you're right. I think the front office loves him, and there is a very tough quality to his game. If the Jazz do invest in him, it will be important for him to have enough energy and health to perform in the post-season.
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Hayward's game will age nicely regardless of whether the jazz invest in him beyond this contract. Someone can support trading him and still say his game is nice and will likely remain nice. It's nuts how many people want to complicate the two issues by making them a strange, paranoid-sounding amalgam.

I'd probably trade Hayward if I could bring back a top-10 pick in 2017 + and additional first rounder (and this would all have to be part of a plan of using the freed up cash to get another very good player on the team). Something like that. --But Hayward would still have a good game that will probably age well.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
I should say that I don't really care if players want to be in Utah. I am far more concerned with chemistry, BBIQ, and fiscal viability. Winning solves most of those other issues, and I think we have a great coach who will develop any players we get.

I think the Jazz will go over the cap if it means fielding a contender. But the mix of players has to be right for that to happen. Right now, I think the Jazz are economically imbalanced towards the frontcourt and the wing. We need a solid point guard if we are to compete with a league that is loaded with quality play at that position, and our payroll projects to be dominated by Hayward, Gobert, and Favors.

Exum's length and first step bode well for our future, but we don't really know what we have in him. To improve the play at that spot, we need more talent at that position. Additionally, if we lost one of our wings to a trade, Exum could capably step into the 2 spot.

With Hood's emergence as a not-quite-as-good (yet) complement to Hayward, I think we are encountering some redundancy on the wing. It will be interesting to see how they play together the rest of the way. But I don't think Hayward's trade value will ever be higher.
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This, and all that PG_AB has said. You guys must hate Hayward and/or have personal insecurities thou. I'm personally considering whether if I should throw myself over a bridge if he ever walked for nothing.
 
I think both sides are right.
Hayward is a great player and good value. I would prefer to have him.
If we had to deal him or he walked, I think it opens up other equally good opportunities.

No fear - we can remain average either way.
 
NAOS said:
It's nuts how many people want to complicate the two issues by making them a strange, paranoid-sounding amalgam.
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There is nothing paranoid about thinking through his usage and style of play. He was completely spent at the end of last season, and he is averaging 35.5 minutes this season. For January he averaged 36.2.

We will have to see if his style of play + that kind of mileage will age as well as you say. I'm not as confident about that as you appear to be.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
There is nothing paranoid about thinking through his usage and style of play. He was completely spent at the end of last season, and he is averaging 35.5 minutes this season. For January he averaged 36.2.

We will have to see if his style of play + that kind of mileage will age as well as you say. I'm not as confident about that as you appear to be.
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Has anybody suggested that his current style of play should continue, unaltered, into his 30s? The dude is still probably pre-prime and has a track record for being durable. So, yeah, it sounds a bit paranoid.

Hayward is ****ing lucky to have landed in a franchise that has been configured in such a way that he's been able to grab the reins and develop all these facets to his game. The way he's pushing his physical limits is GOOOOOD. Will he be able to do this forever? No. But that should go without saying.
 
Losing Hayward would make our team a lot worse. Just Hood alone isn't enough. Maybe a couple years Hood will be good enough to take over for Hay.

Unless we replace Hayward's talent with another playmaker then this would be a mistake right now.
 
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