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If Jerry Sloan were coaching this team...

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...Does anyone honestly believe we would have a better record?

This isn't a pro-Corbin thread. This isn't an anti-Sloan thread. This is a realistic look at our roster thread. Let's face it.... at best, this year is a tread-mill type year ale D-Wills first year with the Jazz when we went 41-41. Of course I'm not happy but let's give it an honest look:

Most of our upcoming main contributors are <= 21 years old
This was a "gamble on our vets" type year, one in which it seems as if they will not be able to get it done
There is no point in making any "win-now" type moves that come at any sort of future damaging cost
There's no harm in making any "playoffs now" type moves that don't come at any sort of future-mortgaging costs (Calderon for CJ Miles or Harris or whatever)
If there aren't changes in the offseason everyone has legitimate reason to be upset (Amnesty Harris, trade Harris for a TPE, no more of these Josh Howard type moves without calling them what they are... a stop gap, not a "missing piece/x factor")
We'll be lucky to finish the season .500. If we do... and the young guys get experience (no reason ever to sit Burks) ... it was probably a successful season... right?

Yeah this Jazz team needs a PG. Yeah this Jazz team needs outside shooting. But this Jazz team isn't going anywhere (record wise), isn't here to stay (personal wise) and isn't worth trading anything to fill these holes.

Basically, we're ****ed. For another year or two.
 
I do but only marginally so. For example the Toronto game at home, maybe 2-3 wins more but that comes from coaching experience that Tyrone will get over time.
 
How could we not believe he would have a better record?

The dude is one of the best coaches in the history of the game. If he came and put 100% into coaching, he would have a better record. He may actually be able to get Devin Harris to play well.
 
We would definitely have two or 3 good sound bytes or quotes from post game interviews.
That's good for a win or two.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
How could we not believe he would have a better record?

The dude is one of the best coaches in the history of the game. If he came and put 100% into coaching, he would have a better record. He may actually be able to get Devin Harris to play well.
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I agree.


We would be 18-10 under Sloan, IMO.
 
People think Sloan had a rigid rotation, but as I was thinking about your question, and in the 4th quarter Sloan played who was playing well, if the guys in at the time in the 4th were playing well, and the team is outplaying the othe team in the 4th he usually left them in.

Ty always seems to put the starters back in regardless. The pacers game comes to mind, the backups get a lead thanks to the great defense of Kanter and Favors. Once we get the lead Millsap and Al come back in and the defense goes down the drain, and we lose the lead. Not saying we would've won, but all I know is Kanter and Favors were owning the pacers, enter Sap and Al, and the pacers started dominating like the 4th never came.


Also another observation, and this is my opinion it's possible Sloan gets frustrated with Harris lack of pg skills, Sloan ether benches Him or Sloan orders KOC to trade him for what ever he can get for him, and Sloan gives Tinsley a shot at starting. I'm not saying this would've happened, but I can see both scenarios happening with Sloan as the coach. If this were the case Favors and Kanter would be further in their progression, getting easy layups like Boozer did playing with Deron instead of having to work extra hard in the post with Harris.
 
Also, none of the rookies would even smell the floor. We end with a better record, make it to the playoffs, and lose in the first round. I'm not in love with Corbin, and I often question his decisions. But at least he seems genuinely interested in learning and adapting.
 
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If Harris were playing better, if the Jazz were running plays with cross-screens to get Favors and Kanter the ball deep, and if Hayward knew where and when his shots were coming from, the offense would be better off.

The thing is, I thought it was Phil Johnson who ran the offensive sets.
 
siromar said:
Also, none of the rookies would even smell the floor. We end with a better record, make it to the playoffs, and lose in the first round. I'm not in love with Corbin, and I often question his decisions. But at least he seems genuinely interested in learning and adapting.
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You are just assuming that. Millsap saw the floor a lot. Kanter seems to be a hard worker, so maybe Sloan would love him.
 
siromar said:
Also, none of the rookies would even smell the floor. We end with a better record, make it to the playoffs, and lose in the first round. I'm not in love with Corbin, and I often question his decisions. But at least he seems genuinely interested in learning and adapting.
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Burks seems to be getting the same amount of minutes that Hayward, last years first round pick, did under Sloan.
 
siromar said:
Also, none of the rookies would even smell the floor.
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Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. That is such a myth. When the Jazz had good rookies, Sloan played them. Sometimes he played them A LOT (Kirilenko and Deron, for example). It's just that consistently making the playoffs caused the Jazz to so often have rookies that were terrible.
 
My only complaint about Corbin is the under-development of the offense. I'm happy with the defensive changes (which will look even better when Al isn't mucking them up).

I really hope they add a three-point shooter to the squad and Hayward starts to find his range. That will make it easier to run any kind of offense.
 
siromar said:
Yes, and I can't stop complaining about it.
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Okay, so essentially this means that Corbin and Sloan are identical with rookie development. If anything, Im pretty sure Hayward got more burn in the first two months than Burks has.

Sloan would definitely be coaching this team better right now, imo. However, his time has passed, and it was time for a new coach to lead this team. Im not too dissatisfied with Corbin, I just hope that he can really make the players screen harder, install more complex flex/UCLA cuts and what not into our offense. The offense really seems unsophisticated; last year's jazz offense was much friendlier on the eyes than this years. We have many great potential slashers in Burks, Hayward, Miles, and Millsap. No idea why we don't run plays for them more often.
 
I'd expect a HOF coach to get more W's out of the same squad as a rookie coach. Coach Ty will learn; give him time.
 
colton said:
Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. That is such a myth. When the Jazz had good rookies, Sloan played them. Sometimes he played them A LOT (Kirilenko and Deron, for example). It's just that consistently making the playoffs caused the Jazz to so often have rookies that were terrible.
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And don't forget Millsap who played a lot as a rookie. Kanter would be getting minutes under Sloan; Burks may have yet to see action. It's good and bad. I'd think our record under Sloan might be about 3 games better. Then again, I'd rather see a lot of guys getting PT rather than just an 8-9 man rotation with the vets all getting 30+.
 
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