If the Jazz Lose Hill in free agency...

[Quin's Murderface]

edit: [MENTION=4696]SCS[/MENTION]

I think you have a good point here, but the problem is that they have to have Hayward re-sign. He said that winning was his #1 priority, and I think we can all see that without Hill this team is maybe just barely a playoff team. I think all your other points are legitimate. It's too bad the Jazz didn't extend Hayward so that they had one more year before the pressure was on to make sure he stays. I think that was the big mistake they made.

 

[tleikheen]

If winning is Haywards #1 concern then he's not going anywhere.With a healthy 24 year old Gobert patrolling the paint and gobbling up rebounds left and right.Jazz are going to be in the thick of things every year.Also Hayward gets to see if Favors is going to get back to 100%,he's only 25.Gobert and Favors healthy form a dominating frontline .Really why would Hayward walk away from that

 

[Diamond77]

I don't think Hill is irreplaceable. I don't want the Jazz to overpay to keep him for the long term.

 

[MTS]

Even if he stays at 20-25 mill per year it's still a negative. The team would be in a terrible cap situation. And this team still isn't where we need it to be so that we can consistently compete for championships. It's not the time to be way over the cap.

If we hadn't ever traded for Hill, we'd be staring at the 7th seed, a sweep by the Spurs, and Hayward leaving.

For how much better Hill makes us, paying him is worth it, as it'll also likely ensure Hayward stays. The only reason to be against the Hill trade at this point is if you're in favor of blowing the team up or if you have an unrealistic perception of what we could get in the FA market with that cap space.

 

[Diamond77]

If the Jazz lose Hill in free agency they could try to take Teague that will be unrestricted free agent! ehehe

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd target Jrue Holiday before Teague. Not a big Teague fan. If we couldnt get Jrue I'd just go the cheaper route and get Collison or Williams as a backup.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

A team would probably need to be in win-now mode in order to want to max out George Hill. There aren't very many other teams in win-now mode who need Hill as their starting PG. Spurs maybe? Denver? Pelicans if they lose Jrue. The Bulls or Detroit could come into play maybe if they're in win-now mode.

GSW (Curry)
SAS (??)
HOU (Harden)
LAC (Paul)
MEM (Conley)
OKC (Westbrook)

CLE (Kyrie)
BOS (IT)
TOR (Lowry)
WAS (Wall)
ATL (Schroeder?)
IND (Teague)
CHI (??)
DET (??)

 

[ozjazzman]

If we absolutely have to lose him, atleast try to trade him for some kind of first round pick this year.
Isn't this years draft loaded with PG's that potentially will become stars in a few ?
Otherwise, do what needs to be done to get Collision.
Potentially another option may be trade Burks for some extra $ in the bank to pay Hill and Hayward.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we keep him... Its a matter of price... it will be expensive. Be prepared.

 

[SCS]

If we hadn't ever traded for Hill, we'd be staring at the 7th seed, a sweep by the Spurs, and Hayward leaving.

For how much better Hill makes us, paying him is worth it, as it'll also likely ensure Hayward stays. The only reason to be against the Hill trade at this point is if you're in favor of blowing the team up or if you have an unrealistic perception of what we could get in the FA market with that cap space.

As I said in the other Hill thread, I don't think whether Hill is here or not is a deciding factor for Hayward. Neither is playoff seeding. After the past few seasons of missing the playoffs he's probably happy just to make the playoffs. I think the deciding factor for Hayward is whether or not he trusts the FO's overall vision for the team going forward. And I think he does.

It was a bad move because it's lose-lose. Either you traded a lottery pick for a one year rental or you re-sign the guy long-term which kills your cap and with it the ability to build a championship team. Every trade should be looked at as "how does this get us to a championship". Because that's the goal. Championships, not playoffs. There were better options for the Jazz long-term with that lottery pick than a rental or something that kills the cap. As good of a player as Hill is.

 

[vegas]

If I were to guess, the FO thought hill would be solid, but not earth shattering. He is having a career year in almost every way imaginable. The plan was for him to be solid, re-sign him to a middle (not max) salary range and have Dante coming along.

Instead, Hill has far exceeded expectations, and will far exceed what the FO hoped to pay him. The other part that doesn't help is Dante has not made tons of headway. Stars just didn't align on this one. It will be another interesting offseason.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If I were to guess, the FO thought hill would be solid, but not earth shattering. He is having a career year in almost every way imaginable. The plan was for him to be solid, re-sign him to a middle (not max) salary range and have Dante coming along.

Instead, Hill has far exceeded expectations, and will far exceed what the FO hoped to pay him. The other part that doesn't help is Dante has not made tons of headway. Stars just didn't align on this one. It will be another interesting offseason.

Solid analysis...

Here is my George Hill prediction. I think we retain Gordon and while the market plays out Hill gets a crazy offer from Sacramento 4/132... max offer.

They have no one that will take their money that is in the age group they desire. They may not be in the range to get the top tier pg in the draft and will see Hill the player as an investment in culture. The have no prospect that will require a big extension in the 4 year window... Hill will decide between 4/100 from us or 4/132 from Sac.

The other potential max suitor would be Philly, but they will have more reservation with the obligations they have coming up and have a much better shot at one of the top tier pgs.