If the Jazz make a draft day trade......Predict the trade.

[Cappy_Smurf]

The Jazz won't trade down unless someone makes them an offer for the #12 pick that heavily favors the Jazz. Why? Because you don't trade down unless: a) there is no one on the board you think is worth a #12 pick or b) you can't decide who you want, so you let the other teams choose first to simplify your choice. I just can't picture DL working the phones to get a worse pick.
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What I think might happen is we trade our #12, next year's first pick, plus the GS pick to New York for #4. Why? Because New York is shopping for first round picks and that deal gives them 2 more first rounders , one of which replaces the one they traded away and Utah get's to add a potential star to their team without hurting the current roster. Burke and one or more 2nd round picks might be added to sweeten the deal for New York.

I think that's a pipe dream. NY won't trade the pick unless it improves them immediately.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Jazz won't trade down unless someone makes them an offer for the #12 pick that heavily favors the Jazz. Why? Because you don't trade down unless: a) there is no one on the board you think is worth a #12 pick or b) you can't decide who you want, so you let the other teams choose first to simplify your choice. I just can't picture DL working the phones to get a worse pick.
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What I think might happen is we trade our #12, next year's first pick, plus the GS pick to New York for #4. Why? Because New York is shopping for first round picks and that deal gives them 2 more first rounders , one of which replaces the one they traded away and Utah get's to add a potential star to their team without hurting the current roster. Burke and one or more 2nd round picks might be added to sweeten the deal for New York.

I think its possible and I think they use those picks to get more proven players. Or we could do 3-team trades to deliver players they want using our flexibility and draft picks. At very least we would be taking Calderon though. I'd do it for sure.

They are clearly looking at trading to our range... they've worked out Frank, Lyles, Payne etc and one or two of those guys will be available.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Jazz won't trade down unless someone makes them an offer for the #12 pick that heavily favors the Jazz. Why? Because you don't trade down unless: a) there is no one on the board you think is worth a #12 pick or b) you can't decide who you want, so you let the other teams choose first to simplify your choice. I just can't picture DL working the phones to get a worse pick.
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What I think might happen is we trade our #12, next year's first pick, plus the GS pick to New York for #4. Why? Because New York is shopping for first round picks and that deal gives them 2 more first rounders , one of which replaces the one they traded away and Utah get's to add a potential star to their team without hurting the current roster. Burke and one or more 2nd round picks might be added to sweeten the deal for New York.

The scenario in which we move down imo is if Turner falls. I don't think he is a good long-term fit because he is a true center... don't think he can play alongside Gobert. If Boston really likes him they could be willing to give one of their better future picks plus the #16 for him. I like Dekker, Portis, Hunter around that area.

Milwaukee would also likely be really interested in Turner... Say we get their 2016 or 2017 pick unprotected plus #17... would you do it? I think I would.

 

[Coach Ellis]

No.

Myles Turner is WAY better than anyone we can get at 16/17 and a future pick. If the Jazz want to maximize their asset, they'd be better off drafting him. Then they can have their phenomenal player development coaching staff work with him as the 3rd big behind Gobert and Favors and eventually feature him in a blockbuster trade down the line. The plain and simple fact is that the Jazz desperately need a center behind Gobert. Myles Turner is much better than what they deserve to fill that hole in the roster with.

I'd take Turner over every reasonably priced big in free agency this year. It doesn't matter if he can't play with Rudy, because someone has to fill in when Gobert goes out. It's easy to just say Favors can handle it. . . but the Jazz are better off if Favors doesn't have to handle it. Favors can play with Turner and Booker (for now) can fill in for Favors.

Getting Myles Turner would be a blessing. Like hitting a homerun 3 years in a row from the draft. Too bad they whiffed on Burke.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

No.

Myles Turner is WAY better than anyone we can get at 16/17 and a future pick. If the Jazz want to maximize their asset, they'd be better off drafting him. Then they can have their phenomenal player development coaching staff work with him as the 3rd big behind Gobert and Favors and eventually feature him in a blockbuster trade down the line. The plain and simple fact is that the Jazz desperately need a center behind Gobert. Myles Turner is much better than what they deserve to fill that hole in the roster with.

I'd take Turner over every reasonably priced big in free agency this year. It doesn't matter if he can't play with Rudy, because someone has to fill in when Gobert goes out. It's easy to just say Favors can handle it. . . but the Jazz are better off if Favors doesn't have to handle it. Favors can play with Turner and Booker (for now) can fill in for Favors.

Getting Myles Turner would be a blessing. Like hitting a homerun 3 years in a row from the draft. Too bad they whiffed on Burke.

We don't know that Turner is way better than anyone we can get at 16 or 17. He may be a better prospect, but there are many red flags on the guy. I think he'd fill a role next year... the 12 minutes or so that Gobert isn't on the floor, but barring a Rudy injury long-term its not a great fit. If I can take a chance on another guy who might be a better long-term fit and get a chance to get something really good in the future I move back.

One caveat... I wouldn't move back for a pick in the late 20s on the Clippers pick that Milwaukee owns that is lotto protected. It's gotta be a pick that DL thinks has a chance to be in the lotto.

I know we have a ton of assets, but I could see us burning a first rounder next year at the trade deadline on something that could help us immediately. We would have had a chance to have a look at the roster development and see where we still have needs. Also as teams fall out of contention they will sell off good players to go the way of the tank.

 

[NAOS]

I really don't understand the fascination with Turner.

 

[Coach Ellis]

We don't know that any player drafted at 12 will be better than what they can get at 16/17, but the odds clearly suggest that he will be. Especially for a team like Utah that has an exceptional scouting department. If he didn't have the red flags that he does, he'd be a top 5 pick and even more likely to succeed.

If the Jazz pick him, I think that he fills the role that Kanter should have had in Utah behind Rudy and Derrick. While giving up some on the offensive end of things, I think he brings a lot more to the defensive side. I think he'd be just fine off the bench and if he can improve his lateral mobility (he is just 19 and still growing / learning to move) then he would be able to play with Gobert. I also see him as a team first, hungry player that will thrive on the same team as a guy like Gobert.

Nothing I the draft is ever a sure thing. Talent is talent. I'd much rather roll the dice on Turner than traxe back for a player I like less that might be a better perceived fit. I don't think Boston or Milwaukee give up any real assets for any player I this draft.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We don't know that any player drafted at 12 will be better than what they can get at 16/17, but the odds clearly suggest that he will be. Especially for a team like Utah that has an exceptional scouting department. If he didn't have the red flags that he does, he'd be a top 5 pick and even more likely to succeed.

If the Jazz pick him, I think that he fills the role that Kanter should have had in Utah behind Rudy and Derrick. While giving up some on the offensive end of things, I think he brings a lot more to the defensive side. I think he'd be just fine off the bench and if he can improve his lateral mobility (he is just 19 and still growing / learning to move) then he would be able to play with Gobert. I also see him as a team first, hungry player that will thrive on the same team as a guy like Gobert.

Nothing I the draft is ever a sure thing. Talent is talent. I'd much rather roll the dice on Turner than traxe back for a player I like less that might be a better perceived fit. I don't think Boston or Milwaukee give up any real assets for any player I this draft.

You can't remove the red flags though. If Dekker was a consistent shooter he'd be a top 5 guy too. I like turner, but he's a five... long term he won't fit well with Gobert and I think he has more value to another team that doesn't have a young stud center. I wouldn't be upset at all if we drafted and kept him, but if we had an offer to pick up another prospect in the same tier that might fit better and get another good draft asset I would rather pursue that option.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You can't remove the red flags though. If Dekker was a consistent shooter he'd be a top 5 guy too. I like turner, but he's a five... long term he won't fit well with Gobert and I think he has more value to another team that doesn't have a young stud center. I wouldn't be upset at all if we drafted and kept him, but if we had an offer to pick up another prospect in the same tier that might fit better and get another good draft asset I would rather pursue that option.

No he wouldnt, he would be consensus lottery, but not top 5. He is a 3rd year player. You have to be a super-star junior to be a top 5 pick.

 

[Coach Ellis]

You can't remove the red flags though. If Dekker was a consistent shooter he'd be a top 5 guy too. I like turner, but he's a five... long term he won't fit well with Gobert and I think he has more value to another team that doesn't have a young stud center. I wouldn't be upset at all if we drafted and kept him, but if we had an offer to pick up another prospect in the same tier that might fit better and get another good draft asset I would rather pursue that option.

Scouting is entirely subjective. My instincts tell me that he's going to be significantly better than his draft position. A lot of that will of course come down to him - his health and his work ethic. One of those things is inside his control and by all reports, he has a strong work ethic. I just think that he's the potential surprise of this draft. It's just my opinion, but I think that his red flags are overrated and he'll work past his issues as he grows up and matures as a player. I see him as a guy that everybody looks back on and thinks should have been a top 5 pick. I want that, even if he isn't a perfect fit for the roster as it's currently constructed.

I have the same vibe about his potential as I did about Leonard, Faried, Lillard, Antetokounmpo and Gobert. I'll admit that I didn't have that same vibe about Exum, but I also recognized early in SL that I think I was completely wrong about him and his future. I'm totally on the Exum bandwagon now.

That's why I want Myles Turner. I think he's special. Special can be hard to find at #12.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Scouting is entirely subjective. My instincts tell me that he's going to be significantly better than his draft position. A lot of that will of course come down to him - his health and his work ethic. One of those things is inside his control and by all reports, he has a strong work ethic. I just think that he's the potential surprise of this draft. It's just my opinion, but I think that his red flags are overrated and he'll work past his issues as he grows up and matures as a player. I see him as a guy that everybody looks back on and thinks should have been a top 5 pick. I want that, even if he isn't a perfect fit for the roster as it's currently constructed.

I have the same vibe about his potential as I did about Leonard, Faried, Lillard, Antetokounmpo and Gobert. I'll admit that I didn't have that same vibe about Exum, but I also recognized early in SL that I think I was completely wrong about him and his future. I'm totally on the Exum bandwagon now.

That's why I want Myles Turner. I think he's special. Special can be hard to find at #12.

Fair enough... I certainly get swinging for the fences, but medical stuff needs to be taken seriously... especially on big guys. If DL feels he is special then I wouldn't trade him. He is a great guy and I think he will do the work to reach his potential, but I have pause regarding long term fit and his health. The first issue isn't a deal killer but I get a kind of Oden vibe when I watch him move. If he just runs funny and there is no physical reason for it then he is undervalued. If he has a longer leg or some other weird deformity it will be hard to succeed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

No he wouldnt, he would be consensus lottery, but not top 5. He is a 3rd year player. You have to be a super-star junior to be a top 5 pick.

He'd be close... point was its hard to just remove the red flags. I see some people havr him going around 8. If he was a consistent good three point shooter he'd be right there with Winslow, Johnson, and hezonja... if he could shoot he may have come out last year so he wouldn't be a 3 year guy.