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[MENTION=40]Siro[/MENTION]

Good call, I meant Western European whites in general.
And thanks for your reply.
 
I lived for a year or so in England in the early 80's. I was amazed at how much more blacks were incorporated into society than back at home. I didn't see the same type of racism. No idea how it is now.
 
I could only comment on Eastern Europeans. Most of them are even worse then Americans or English when it comes to stereotyping blacks, asians, muslims, latinos, etc. When you look at history there is quite a few reasons why they are resisting multiculturalism so much. Most of these little nations where conquered and occupied for long periods of time by some bigger and stronger neighbours and after finally gaining independence they are very hesitant to open up and accept it. Fear of losing national identity is very strong there.
 
addictionary said:
Maybe I am confusing them with Spanish Arabs.
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The "Spanish Arabs" are more commonly known there as moors, and most of them come from Morocco and Algeria. And to be honest there's never been a real integration with the native Spanish population. Mainly for historical reasons and most recently because of the Western Sahara situation, the Spanish cities of Ceuta and Melilla in northern Morocco and the Perejil Island incident.
 
JazzGal said:
I lived for a year or so in England in the early 80's. I was amazed at how much more blacks were incorporated into society than back at home. I didn't see the same type of racism. No idea how it is now.
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very vague post. So general I almost laughed. Then I totally did when ONE LOVE 'liked' it. Where in England? How old were you? What kind of work and social life were you having?

I have many black Trinidadian friends who have spend a lot of time in the US and in England and not one has said anything about England being easier.
 
and there is a vast ****ing difference between places like London and Liverpool, for example.
 
In Germany the majority of "foreigners" are of Turkish descent. General stereotyping I notice over here is that ppl with southern/Mediterranean look/"brown" skin color are being thrown together in a pot and called 'Kanake' over here.
The word was originally used to describe seamen of Oceanic/Polynesian origin with a strong work ethic but has developed into an insult for ppl I described above mostly in their teens and 20s that present themselves in stereotypical fashion.
Hanging out exclusively with other minorities, annoying/provocative behavior in public, speaking the languages of their parents in public to each others if possible - Though a lot of young ppl living here for multiple generations haven't learnt Turkish or other first languages of their parent(s).
Copying the appearance of artists performing "German gangster/minority rap" and a strong desire to display masculinity/aggressive body language.

That would be stereotypical descriptions how a lot of whites in Germany perceive ppl with brown skin color.
The German-Turkish connection goes back to the world wars(not exactly sure how it was in WW1, but definitely WW2 allies)
Most cities have certain areas that have become quasi-ghettos inhabited by ppl with migration background.
Majority of those situations is focused in West Germany and Berlin as the old GDR areas offer less employment opportunities and are less accepting as most of the German based neo-Nazis are living there and scared off migrants mostly on top off the high unemployment rates and lack of opportunities.

For most other countries in Western Europe migration was a result of colonialization.
In England the connection to India and Pakistan is very visible.
In France migration happened mostly from their colonies in North Africa and West Africa. They share that connection with Belgium as the Southern part of it speaks French, while the Northern part is closer to the Netherlands and speaks Flemish(Basically a variation of Dutch).
Not exactly sure how it's in Italy and Spain.
 
Dr. Jones said:
What I would sincerely like to understand is the stereotyping of Western European Anglos against North Africans or let's just say Arabs. I understand there is a similar feeling of inequality between those two ^ as there is the black and white issue in America.

Is there anyone here that feels qualified to answer this?
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Dude it's totally similar. For Germany it's the Turkish and Eastern Europeans. For America, it's blacks. For Canada, it's the indigenous population.


My family moved to Germany when I was in the 4th grade, and we lived there for the year. We actually moved there on a job-exchange, but we went with the knowledge that if we liked it we would stay permanently-- just because of the proximity to Kosovo, and the thwacks of cousins and friends and other relatives that we had living in the Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands area. The reason I speak German fluently is because I enrolled in German school here since Kindergarten, in order to prepare for this potential move back one day.


Anyways, I enrolled into school there while my dad started looking for jobs and stuff.


You really, reallly couldn't shake the feeling of being a second class citizen there man. None of my German classmates really approached me at first-- the only friends i ever made that year were Turkish. I was instantly understood as "Albaner" and it just totally bought on different treatment that you could really feel across the board. It's hard to summarize in a few words.

For example, when we were looking for apartment spots, we'd see "vacancy" outside, but then the landlord would swiftly deny us any existence of a vacancy if the apartment happened to be mainly occupied by ethnic Germans. Looks from people whoever you go, particularly if you're going shopping and stuff.

It was just a mega contrast from our family. We went from a city as accepting as Edmonton to Heilbronn, Deutschland-- and it just felt like we'd never really feel as accepted and comfortable as we did in Canada.

We left as soon as we could. Been in Canada ever since.
 
I really can't emphasize how disenfranchised that Muslim youth/people feel in Western Europe. It's worse in Eastern Europe, but there aren't as many there purely because the economies of the Western nations are more suitable to economic migrants.

Turkish people legitimately have difficulty getting German citizenship even if they're 2nd or 3rd generation. I was born in Germany and I wasn't able to get my citizenship!! It's not a matter of Turkish youth not wanting to be German-- it's the fact that they feel like they'll never be accepted as such.


Meanwhile, a Turkish immigrant would more or less feel American within a generation or two. It's a different land over here, which is why we can't ppl like Trump destroy that.
 
dalamon said:
Dude it's totally similar. For Germany it's the Turkish and Eastern Europeans. For America, it's blacks. For Canada, it's the indigenous population.


My family moved to Germany when I was in the 4th grade, and we lived there for the year. We actually moved there on a job-exchange, but we went with the knowledge that if we liked it we would stay permanently-- just because of the proximity to Kosovo, and the thwacks of cousins and friends and other relatives that we had living in the Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands area. The reason I speak German fluently is because I enrolled in German school here since Kindergarten, in order to prepare for this potential move back one day.


Anyways, I enrolled into school there while my dad started looking for jobs and stuff.


You really, reallly couldn't shake the feeling of being a second class citizen there man. None of my German classmates really approached me at first-- the only friends i ever made that year were Turkish. I was instantly understood as "Albaner" and it just totally bought on different treatment that you could really feel across the board. It's hard to summarize in a few words.

For example, when we were looking for apartment spots, we'd see "vacancy" outside, but then the landlord would swiftly deny us any existence of a vacancy if the apartment happened to be mainly occupied by ethnic Germans. Looks from people whoever you go, particularly if you're going shopping and stuff.

It was just a mega contrast from our family. We went from a city as accepting as Edmonton to Heilbronn, Deutschland-- and it just felt like we'd never really feel as accepted and comfortable as we did in Canada.

We left as soon as we could. Been in Canada ever since.
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Thanks for the post and I'm sorry you had that experience.
I've just been trying to understand the root cause of those choosing ISIS.

It seems (as an outsider) that if a group is being treated as second class citizens, having a hard time finding acceptance, much less equality, they would be susceptible to almost anything that promises change in that way.

As I understand it, ISIS has recruiters that bring these guys (and gals) in and initially shows lots of care and concern. They indoctrinate them into a stronger faith of Islam, and then once their faith is strong and they feel they've found their home, they're sucked into the darkness.

I wonder if there weren't such ostracization of those same people if they would resist the pitches of ISIS.

Just trying to understand. It's probably not something that can be fixed in our lifetimes, but understanding the root causes might be a good start.
 
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