Interesting tweets from the Trib

[m3at]

KOC pisses me off.
https://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20110201_0201-koc-podcast.mp3

The excuse for sucking is that Memo is injured. Typical crap from KOC. "Let's see how we do when healthy. We're young...". Such BS.

 

[bordelais7]

That's not a bad theory but I think we've already seen that his shooting percentages were on the decline for three seasons prior to this one. In those seasons he was either starting or coming off the bench with Millsap (who was the primary bench scorer). As a result, I'm of the mind that it's unrelated.

Get off CJ's case. Just give him some time. If he has 10 or 15 seasons of straight decline, THEN you might be on to something.

 

[sirkickyass]

Repped. What about other stats or metrics or other phases of the game? I seem to remember about 15 games in that Miles +/- or adjusted +/- or something was very, very high.

That's too short a period of time for +/- to be remotely meaningful (the standard error will swamp the swings), but Miles scoring and shooting numbers in wins vs. losses is quite dramatic.

In wins he's a 14.9 ppg guy who shoots 46% from the field and 39% from three.

In losses he's an 8.8ppg guy who shoots 33% from the field and 24% from three.

One of the reasons you can look at how Miles is playing and make a pretty solid prediction as to the outcome of the game. Given his relatively high usage rate (highest in his career) this is the difference between several possessions being successes or failures.

 

[NUMBERICA]

KOC pisses me off.
https://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20110201_0201-koc-podcast.mp3

The excuse for sucking is that Memo is injured. Typical crap from KOC. "Let's see how we do when healthy. We're young...". Such BS.

Interesting that the Jazz starting playing like crap when Memo 'came back' from injury. KOC really showing his stripes here.

 

[Revolution 9]

Tweets from the tribune:

tribjazz Jazz's Sloan said Utah has been giving "[crappy]" effort during pick-and-roll defense.

tribjazz Jazz's Sloan didn't buy into Bell's assertion that it's possibly too late in season for Utah to improve pick-and-roll defense.

tribjazz Jazz's Sloan was a little fiery today but very in depth.
15 minutes ago · reply

tribjazz Jazz will return to season-opening starting lineup of Williams, Bell, Kirilenko, Millsap, Jefferson for first time in four games.

Just thought this was a little interesting and some great news that AK will be back.

Seems like Jerry is really taking the blame here....you know like he always does.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

That's too short a period of time for +/- to be remotely meaningful (the standard error will swamp the swings), but Miles scoring and shooting numbers in wins vs. losses is quite dramatic.

In wins he's a 14.9 ppg guy who shoots 46% from the field and 39% from three.

In losses he's an 8.8ppg guy who shoots 33% from the field and 24% from three.

One of the reasons you can look at how Miles is playing and make a pretty solid prediction as to the outcome of the game. Given his relatively high usage rate (highest in his career) this is the difference between several possessions being successes or failures.

It's 18+% of the season. That would be like 29 games in a baseball season. That's not that small of a sample size to be "remotely meaningful." Is it the best indicator? Of course not. But you can take something from it. But that's not my point. Even now, if he's stumbled since that hot start, where does Miles stack up in +/- and such compared to the rest of our wings? If he had a great start and has sucked since, I'd think he still ranks ahead of most of our other wings, if not all of them, since the remaining dumbasses haven't exactly lit up the league.

 

[sirkickyass]

It's 18+% of the season. That would be like 29 games in a baseball season. That's not that small of a sample size to be "remotely meaningful."

There is significant debate as to whether or not a full season is enough time to guage players accurately as to +/-. Small-game stretches (yes even 15-20 games) are so sample poor that using the adjusted +/- method it would be difficult to statistically prove that even players we recognize as mediocre were worse on a +/- basis than players that are MVP candidates because adjusted +/- relies upon small numbers of minutes in which players that usually play together play apart to separate out different player impacts. Using adjusted +/- numbers only from this season, for example, its impossible to state the Carlos Boozer performs better under +/- than Kurt Thomas or that Deron Williams is better than Earl Watson.

Even now, if he's stumbled since that hot start, where does Miles stack up in +/- and such compared to the rest of our wings? If he had a great start and has sucked since, I'd think he still ranks ahead of most of our other wings, if not all of them, since the remaining dumbasses haven't exactly lit up the league.

https://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA.HTM

82 games' "simple rating" lists him as #2 on the team. Bell and Hayward are last.

 

[The Pearl]

Eh, Sloan has had worse seasons and as far as this year goes most of his snafus are the usual, mainly not playing who everybody thinks he should. It seems that this year doesn't particularly matter in the light that his options lay on a spectrum between dreadful to pathetic. Hayward, CJ, Bell, Price are all achieving various levels of suck. I am not sure Kreskin could devise a system to maximize that collection of mediocrity.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

There is significant debate as to whether or not a full season is enough time to guage players accurately as to +/-. Small-game stretches (yes even 15-20 games) are so sample poor that using the adjusted +/- method it would be difficult to statistically prove that even players we recognize as mediocre were worse on a +/- basis than players that are MVP candidates because adjusted +/- relies upon small numbers of minutes in which players that usually play together play apart to separate out different player impacts. Using adjusted +/- numbers only from this season, for example, its impossible to state the Carlos Boozer performs better under +/- than Kurt Thomas or that Deron Williams is better than Earl Watson.



https://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA.HTM

82 games' "simple rating" lists him as #2 on the team. Bell and Hayward are last.

If this is true about +/- and adjusted +/-, even over the course of a full season, by what then should we judge players? Stats? Eyeball test? Other metrics? That's a serious question by the way, not sarcastic.

 

[bordelais7]

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