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Is Alec having a better season than Gordon?

is alec having a better year than gordon?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 70.8%

  • No

    Votes: 19 29.2%
  • Total voters
    65
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Issues to consider:

Both players have have had one rough patch of games this year.

Alec's recent stretch has been really impressive.

Gordon has been asked to do a lot more. (but should that continue to be the case?)

Gordon averaging ~10 min more per game.

Alec drawing blood against opposing teams' backups (to some extent).





Footnote:
I'd say roughly 95% of jazzfanzers ranked Gordon above Alec coming into this year.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];726518 said:
Issues to consider:

Both players have have had one rough patch of games this year.

Alec's recent stretch has been really impressive.

Gordon has been asked to do a lot more. (but should that continue to be the case?)

Gordon averaging ~10 min more per game.

Alec drawing blood against opposing teams' backups (to some extent).





Footnote:
I'd say roughly 95% of jazzfanzers ranked Gordon above Alec coming into this year.
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I won't say yes yet. Let's revisit this in February, and then again after 82 games.
 
There's really no answer

Alec was playing out of position part of the year as a PG.

Gordon has been playing out of position all year as a #1 option.

One thing: when Alec comes off the bench and has a lousy game, no one really says anything about it other than a few posts. When Hayward has a lousy game, threads pop up all off the place about how he's a bust/over-rated/trade him/don't resign him.
 
never thought i'd see Alec having a better eFG% than Gordon at the beginning of this year, thats for sure.

The case for Alec:

per 36 for the season he's at ~17p, 3.4a, 3.7r on 43,34,75%

in his last 10 games, per 36 hes at 20.5p, 4a, 4r on 51,50,78%
his last 10 games he's playing like a top 30 player -- can he sustain that?
 
candrew said:
There's really no answer

Alec was playing out of position part of the year as a PG.

Gordon has been playing out of position all year as a #1 option.

One thing: when Alec comes off the bench and has a lousy game, no one really says anything about it other than a few posts. When Hayward has a lousy game, threads pop up all off the place about how he's a bust/over-rated/trade him/don't resign him.
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as far as we know, alec isnt leveraging for 12-14 M next year
 
I'm pretty confident that if we had been starting Burks at the 2 and Hayward at the 3 for the entire year that this discussion wouldn't even be close.

Hayward
 
Burks is having a better season relative to the initial expectations. Hayward is having a slightly better season, sans expectations.
 
Per 36.

Player A: 17.1 points, 3.7 TRB, 3.4 ast, 1.1 stl, 2.3 tov, 5.0 FTA, .340 3P%, .431 2P%, .510 TS%

Player B: 20.0 points, 3.1 TRB, 1.9 ast, 1.1 stl, 1.2 tov, 5.2 FTA, .381 3P%, .435 2P%, .553 TS%


Swaggy-Nova vs. Swaggy P
 
One Brow said:
Burks is having a better season relative to the initial expectations. Hayward is having a slightly better season, sans expectations.
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Hayward is having a better season than expectations? You know, the expectations that prevented him from signing a lofty contract in hope of getting closer to the max?
 
franklin said:
Per 36.

Player A: 17.1 points, 3.7 TRB, 3.4 ast, 1.1 stl, 2.3 tov, 5.0 FTA, .340 3P%, .431 2P%, .510 TS%

Player B: 20.0 points, 3.1 TRB, 1.9 ast, 1.1 stl, 1.2 tov, 5.2 FTA, .381 3P%, .435 2P%, .553 TS%


Swaggy-Nova vs. Swaggy P
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i think it's really cool that SLC Dunk came up with that nickname for him, and that its catching on. good for them.
 
candrew said:
There's really no answer

Alec was playing out of position part of the year as a PG.

Gordon has been playing out of position all year as a #1 option.

One thing: when Alec comes off the bench and has a lousy game, no one really says anything about it other than a few posts. When Hayward has a lousy game, threads pop up all off the place about how he's a bust/over-rated/trade him/don't resign him.
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Being a bust is not necessarily the same thing as having concerns about offer sheets beyond the value he brings to a team with legit options. In other words, the "trade him/don't re-sign him" angle mostly comes from the angle of not wanting to overpay for a player with obvious limitations, and those are legitimate concerns.
 
Siro said:
Hayward is having a better season than expectations? You know, the expectations that prevented him from signing a lofty contract in hope of getting closer to the max?
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I said "sans", not "than". "Sans expectations" means "when you don't consider the expectations as a part of your argument".
 
dipship31 said:
I'm pretty confident that if we had been starting Burks at the 2 and Hayward at the 3 for the entire year that this discussion wouldn't even be close.

Hayward
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'Member when the argument used to be that Hayward's LENGTH at the 2 was his best scenario?
 
I think burks is having the better year....... just barely

Definately thinks burks should see some time in the starting lineup with hayward at the three.
 
sojodave said:
The NBA is about efficiency and consistency. Hayward posses neither.
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It's also about team.

If when Hayward was drafted somebody would have told you that Hayward would be the Jazzs go to guy in a few short years you would have died laughing. He's not a #1 option but he is a nice piece.
 
heyhey said:
It's also about team.

If when Hayward was drafted somebody would have told you that Hayward would be the Jazzs go to guy in a few short years you would have died laughing. He's not a #1 option but he is a nice piece.
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Short years? The last 4 years have been a ****ing nightmare.
 
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