Is Broken Window Policing Racist?
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*best CarolinaJazz impression*
Only hoppers and beaners get broken windows.
/end racialist rant
I live in a white neighborhood. I NEVER see bikes on the sidewalks. I never see bikes, actually. Think about it, when was the last time you saw an adult ride a bike?
Whenever I'm in K-Town or when I used to work down on 33rd and state, I swear I saw every black dude that lived in Utah, and he was always riding his bike along the sidewalk.
Maybe, just maybe, it's one of those things, you know? Black people ride bikes, white people ride in cars. Or it could all just be racism.
I know you've dismissed similar issues in the past but there is a difference in the way the law is enforced for minorities and poor people and the way it is enforced for middle class and above whites. I honestly think it falls as much along economic lines as racial, but when black people have historically been poor this selectively aggressive law enforcement helps to keep it that way.
This isn't a shrug our shoulders no big deal issue. This is a massive injustice in our society and I for one think it needs to be fixed.
GVC
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Those of us who don't live in suburban **** holes see adults riding bikes everyday.
Im naturally inclined to agree but its actually not as black and white an issue as it seems.
The selective enforcement by community is easily explained as focussing on problem areas. There's also a good point about conditioning inner city residents to obey the law when the culture tends to be hopeless and instills thug life generationally. The obvious downside to that is blowback as racism becomes further engrained. I had friends growing up who were targeted often for looking "suspicious" for walking a block to get a soda. Sending them to prison as kids didn't do any good.
It's easy for us Utahans to condemn it but ask New Yorkers living with these issues and you'll get a completely different perspective.
Dude, I ride my bike at least once a week in the summer. What a dicklicker.
green
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Wow. The trifecta. Obtuse, racist and dumb all in one. Smh
candrew
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I grew up in NYC in the late 80's/early 90's and I can tell you things were as bad as you can imagine. When the police department adopted the "Broken Windows" philosophy which was actually called the "NYC Quality of Life Campaign", many NY'ers, scoffed at the idea. Then when things started getting better opponents started saying it was the improved economy or the leveling off of the crack epidemic or zero tolerance on police corruption; which is partially true. Then when NYC crime statistics dropped below virtually every other major city in the country the only thing left was to cry racism.
Does racism occur within the application of "Broken Windows" - yeah. Does that mean get rid of it? Should we get rid of taxi cabs in NYC because sometimes cabbies drive past minorities looking for rides.
Does Corbin ride with his suit on?
The Thriller
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People don't ride bikes anymore? Huh?
Come and take a drive with me every M-F on state street, university ave, and university parkway in Provo/Orem. You'll be surprised how many folks can still ride bikes even in the snow or in near 0 temperatures.
In the summer, I'll join them. And I'm a white guy who owns and car.
Come and take a drive with me every M-F on state street, university ave, and university parkway in Provo/Orem. You'll be surprised how many folks can still ride bikes even in the snow or in near 0 temperatures.
In the summer, I'll join them. And I'm a white guy who owns and car.
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If there is one thing I have learned from JF it is that everything we do is racist, to the core. There is no way to escape it, and no matter how hard we may try we will always be racist. It is wrong and has to change, but no one has the power to change it, so it will always stay the same, unless we express our outrage at being subconsciously racist, which does nothing to make it better, but at least acknowledges that everything we do is driven by in-born racism that we can never escape, which somehow makes it better, except it doesn't. Or maybe it's gay, I lose track.
NYC goes by different rules.parking and the subway can both get pretty expensive.
Maybe people drive what they can afford, and what they can afford is influenced by racism.
I think laws can be enforced non-selectively.
Poor people in poor neighborhoods commit more crimes. This is true. More black people live in poor neighborhoods than white people. Also true.
So even without racism there will be more black people, per capita, than white people getting charged with crimes. But to bury your head in the sand and think that either a) the law is applied fairly and evenly or that b) it isn't bad for society if black people get scrutinized more aggressively by law enforcement well, you're wrong. Well, you're wrong unless your version of justice means that racial divides need to be maintained and that the freedom of black people is less important than the freedom of white people or that they need to be held to a higher standard to keep from being locked in a cell, or that the innocent law abiding friends and family of unjustly prosecuted black people should just keep on being innocent law abiding, tax paying, productive members of society despite the pain and loss they suffer from having their friends and family unjustly incarcerated.
You all know I'm all about freedom and individual liberty. Makes me sad how often people claiming the same focus on how much they have to pay in taxes or how their kids are being brainwashed into being homosexuals. There can be no individual liberty in the face of such overwhelming injustice. It just doesn't work. Our out of control prison system, our unjust selective enforcement of the law and the way both of those things are tied to a person's ability to earn a living is a horrible injustice. Easy to ignore if you are not affected by it, impossible to ignore if you are.
So even without racism there will be more black people, per capita, than white people getting charged with crimes. But to bury your head in the sand and think that either a) the law is applied fairly and evenly or that b) it isn't bad for society if black people get scrutinized more aggressively by law enforcement well, you're wrong. Well, you're wrong unless your version of justice means that racial divides need to be maintained and that the freedom of black people is less important than the freedom of white people or that they need to be held to a higher standard to keep from being locked in a cell, or that the innocent law abiding friends and family of unjustly prosecuted black people should just keep on being innocent law abiding, tax paying, productive members of society despite the pain and loss they suffer from having their friends and family unjustly incarcerated.
You all know I'm all about freedom and individual liberty. Makes me sad how often people claiming the same focus on how much they have to pay in taxes or how their kids are being brainwashed into being homosexuals. There can be no individual liberty in the face of such overwhelming injustice. It just doesn't work. Our out of control prison system, our unjust selective enforcement of the law and the way both of those things are tied to a person's ability to earn a living is a horrible injustice. Easy to ignore if you are not affected by it, impossible to ignore if you are.
The Thriller
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I'm from the Bill Cosby school of thought here...
I know I know, ultra conservative radical racist...
I keep hearing how minorities are picked on but are they doing the most with their opportunities? We give them handouts when it comes time education, we give them handouts for food and money, we give them job opportunities with affirmative action... But it's never enough. I have a solution:
Stop getting women pregnant in high school.
Women, stop having kids with several different men.
Kids, Allen Iverson isn't a role model. Jameis Winston trying to speak English in that interview after the game was a complete joke. That kid is in college??? Pathetic!
The black community as a whole needs to stop pointing the fingers outward and start pointing the fingers of blame where they belong... Themselves. Dig yourselves out of crime, poverty, and desperation. The opportunities are there.
I know I know, ultra conservative radical racist...
I keep hearing how minorities are picked on but are they doing the most with their opportunities? We give them handouts when it comes time education, we give them handouts for food and money, we give them job opportunities with affirmative action... But it's never enough. I have a solution:
Stop getting women pregnant in high school.
Women, stop having kids with several different men.
Kids, Allen Iverson isn't a role model. Jameis Winston trying to speak English in that interview after the game was a complete joke. That kid is in college??? Pathetic!
The black community as a whole needs to stop pointing the fingers outward and start pointing the fingers of blame where they belong... Themselves. Dig yourselves out of crime, poverty, and desperation. The opportunities are there.
We don't give handouts to people for being black, we give handouts based on income. Just saying.