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Is Obama a Natural Born US Citizen?

Is Obama A Natural Born US Citizen?

  • No, I'm a crazy *** birther

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Yes, I'm a blind follower

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Maybe, but he's hiding something.

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • Who gives a rat's ***

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • Whatever Kicky says

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
You obviously have spent no substantial amount of time living in another country if you don't understand what that means or implies. Or you are being deliberately obtuse, which I have seen you do plenty in the past.

No, I have not spent 14+ years living in another country. Have you? However, I am pretty sure significant numbers of what we think of as great works of comparative political and anthropological study occur while spending less time than that in the country. Alexis de Tocqueville spent only 9 months in the United States before writing "Democracy in America," which is widely regarded as incisive and significantly socially predictive of American society. Classic examples of ethnology study (Montaigne on cannibalism, or Levi-Strauss' work on universal taboos) have been done with far less than 14 years of living in another country.

I also wrote the paranthetical because I think it's ridiculous to imply that Americans have universal beliefs that are understood through osmosis. It's a pretty diverse society.

Unless you're going to declare entire fields of social science irrelevant and invalid, I think you need to back down on this one.

Oh, and great job with all my other questions testing your brightline. Your answers were rich and compelling.
 
Does it really even matter if he's a US citizen or not? Everybody needs to get over the fact that he's president and just support/hope he does a great job. The whole thought process of hoping that the president fails because he's a Republican/Democrat is the stupidest thing ever. Sure, it may not match your ideals, but I think everybody wants this country to prosper, no matter how it happens.

/Didn't vote for Obama
//Chooses America over party lines every time
 
No, I have not spent 14+ years living in another country. Have you? However, I am pretty sure significant numbers of what we think of as great works of comparative political and anthropological study occur while spending less time than that in the country. Alexis de Tocqueville spent only 9 months in the United States before writing "Democracy in America," which is widely regarded as incisive and significantly socially predictive of American society. Classic examples of ethnology study (Montaigne on cannibalism, or Levi-Strauss' work on universal taboos) have been done with far less than 14 years of living in another country.

I also wrote the paranthetical because I think it's ridiculous to imply that Americans have universal beliefs that are understood through osmosis. It's a pretty diverse society.

Unless you're going to declare entire fields of social science irrelevant and invalid, I think you need to back down on this one.

Oh, and great job with all my other questions testing your brightline. Your answers were rich and compelling.

I bow before your obvious intellectual superiority and accept your single-dimensional examples as absolute and total explanation of a multi-faceted and highly complex issue.

Feel better?

Oh I also feel bad for you that you cannot imagine what it is like to feel part of a community such that you cannot even fathom for one moment what it means to understand what makes a group of people "tick". Or that you have never had the experience of trying to understand a people foreign to yourself, and come to the realization of the deep significance of another cultural heritage with which you are not familiar.

No matter what you put out there, nothing, no scholarly work, can ever take the place of living and growing up in a particular place, region, or country. It cannot give you the same loyalty, understanding, and emotional connection to the people or the place. I could live in germany the rest of my life and never really fully understand the deep cultural impact the second world war had on those people (for one simple example), and the influence it exerts even today. I can read about it. Study it. Observe it. But I cannot really ever live it the way they do.

It is much like cancer. You can study it, become an oncologist, spend every waking moment exclusively with cancer patients, know everything there is to know about the disease, be proclaimed as the greatest scientist ever in the realm of cancer research and find ways to cure every single kind of cancer ever known to man. But until you have had cancer, you cannot really know what it means to have the disease, live with the disease, and fight the disease. You cannot truly be part of that community.

The same applies, imo, to understanding a culture. Unless you are part of it and have stock in the history and the events that defined that culture, where it has some influence on your life beyond simply the job you have and the schooling you have received, you cannot really know what it is like to be part of that culture.

I do not think it is a stretch to want the person who leads my country to have that type of cultural connection. I feel bad for you if you cannot understand that, for all your super-advanced learning.
 
Does it really even matter if he's a US citizen or not? Everybody needs to get over the fact that he's president and just support/hope he does a great job. The whole thought process of hoping that the president fails because he's a Republican/Democrat is the stupidest thing ever. Sure, it may not match your ideals, but I think everybody wants this country to prosper, no matter how it happens.

/Didn't vote for Obama
//Chooses America over party lines every time

I disagree with this. If slavery helped this country to prosper I would oppose it. If loss of individual rights helped this country to prosper I would oppose it. If...well you get the idea.
 
Alexis de Tocqueville spent only 9 months in the United States before writing "Democracy in America," which is widely regarded as incisive and significantly socially predictive of American society.
I think it's ridiculous to imply that Americans have universal beliefs that are understood through osmosis. It's a pretty diverse society.

Unless you're going to declare entire fields of social science irrelevant and invalid, I think you need to back down on this one.

Alexis implied that Americans have universal beliefs:

"Moreover, almost all the sects of the United States are comprised within the great unity of Christianity, and Christian morality is everywhere the same. In the United States the sovereign authority is religious, and consequently hypocrisy must be common; but there is no country in the whole world in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility, and of its conformity to human nature, than that its influence is most powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth.

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live.

There are certain populations in Europe whose unbelief is only equaled by their ignorance and their debasement, while in America one of the freest and most enlightened nations in the world fulfills all the outward duties of religion with fervor.

Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country."
 
I like this other quote from Tocqueville as well:

"But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom"
 
What a bunch of moops. The poll was a joke. Regardless of what you believe do you think anyone wants to choose being a "crazy *** birther" or a "blind follower"? Even worse, do you think anyone wants to choose "Whatever Kicky says"? Well, except for Kicky of course.

Baltar said:
Marcus, you didn't have much credibility on this board to begin with, but now, it's completely gone. You're a fool with the brain the size of a peanut.

Did your mother not change your diaper today?
 
hes no good citizen. Hes burn in Kenha. A muslem wit a dep seded hatred for white people. A comunist nazi who hats amerika. dats y i gonna vot fer palin or romney in de nex elektion.
 
I just hope that I can stock up on my guns, ammo, and food storage kit while someone like Obama is controlling the white house.

When can we have someone that believes in freedom, responsible government, and someone that understands business come back into the white house? Can Reagan please come back? Please?!
 
hes no good citizen. Hes burn in Kenha. A muslem wit a dep seded hatred for white people. A comunist nazi who hats amerika. dats y i gonna vot fer palin or romney in de nex elektion.

You have the diction and obvious intelligence of a democrat with the topic of a republican. I are confused.
 
I disagree with this. If slavery helped this country to prosper I would oppose it. If loss of individual rights helped this country to prosper I would oppose it. If...well you get the idea.

Not quite the point I was trying to make. You're talking about extremes that are not likely to happen. I was more just trying to talk about how it's stupid to agree/disagree on topics simply based on party lines, yet it seems like that's how the majority of American's vote.
 
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