Is Raul Neto actually Utah's best PG?

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by jjscap, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. jjscap

    jjscap Well-Known Member

    Mar 27, 2013
    Our humble third string PG is sneaky good and most of you guys are not even aware of that.

    He's 6'1" that people assume he's poor defensively. He's not. He's one of those cerebral defenders. Plays angles well and has stellar anticipation. And he doesn't seem to have the weaknesses Rubio and X possess. It's just he can't stay healthy and he's not given the role he deserves. I believe in a bigger role he can post 46/40/90 and make his teammates better, i.e. help Utah win more games if given the opportunity and patience.

    Raul Neto was Utah's #1 player in NETRTG last season, which is a pretty reliable metric.
    If it was a coincidence last year, he's #1 so far this season too! By far!

    Guess who is #2 behind Neto? Ingles. Well, in Qs system cerebral white unselfish players from overseas that shoot the ball perform the best.

    17-18 #1 103.7 OFF, 93.4 DEF +10.2
    18-19 #1 110.6 OFF, 102.0 DEF +8.6


    Last edited: Jan 14, 2019
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  2. Bawse Dawg

    Bawse Dawg Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2013
  3. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2012
    He's definitely better than he's given credit for on this site.
  4. jope

    jope Well-Known Member

    Jun 26, 2010
    Hard to say based on numbers alone. Is the majority of his mins played against the other team’s 3rd string guards? Or their worst defenders?

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  5. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

    Jun 13, 2014
    He could have a consistent role... if he was ever consistently healthy.

    He's not our best pg, but the way he plays provides some good things and he's a high floor guy imo. Sometimes the floor with Ricky and Dante can be really low on their awful nights.
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  6. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

    May 27, 2010
    Better than Gaines.

    Anyone remember all those “better than Gaines” threads?
  7. campaignist

    campaignist Well-Known Member

    Jul 2, 2017
    He's fine.
  8. Douchebag K

    Douchebag K Well-Known Member

    Nov 12, 2014
    Lol. No

    He’s an excellent third string PG. prob a decent backup if he could stay healthy.
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  9. SoUjazzfan

    SoUjazzfan Well-Known Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    You answered your own question when you said "It's just he can't stay healthy." No need to talk about his role when he is hurt, which is far too often.
  10. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2015
    I'm a big Neto fan and I think he would be fine in a backup PG role if Rubio wasn't re-signed in the offseason, but he's a huge liability compared to Exum or Rubio because of his size limitations on the defensive end. You really can't get Neto to switch off his man otherwise he ends up having to guard much bigger and stronger guys, and the results are usually not great (e.g. Neto vs Harden in last years playoffs). But in Neto's defense, the Per 36 numbers are surprisingly close between all three of the guys (14.8/6/4.6 for Neto, 16.3/6/3.7 for Exum, 15.8/7.6/4.4 for Rubio), and Neto's TS% is miles higher than Exum or Rubio (61.7% for Neto, 53.0% for Exum, 51.0% for Rubio).

    My biggest concerns over Neto's numbers is how sustainable they are, who they're coming against for the most part, and how little defense is being played as there is a large portion of the minutes being played in garbage time. That combined with him really not being versatile enough defensively due to his size limitations should be enough for most people to realise that he isn't the best PG on this team. That's ignoring his health issues

    But as I said before I'm a big Neto fan and I would be down with him getting the backup PG role full time if Rubio were to be let go in the offseason.
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  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

    Nov 4, 2010
    Is he better than Rubio or X? Maybe.
    Not saying much though. I don't think any of the three should start on the jazz.

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  12. jom2003

    jom2003 Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2014
    Too injury prone. Doesn't matter how well he plays it's always gonna be off of small sample size because he's never been healthy for long extensive period

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    +/- is very deceiving. Look at his advanced defensive stats. His defender shoots an astronomical higher % when he is guarding them vs their average. I like Neto a lot, but he is definitely a second string PG at best. He just doesn't have the height/length/quickness needed to guard opposing PGs.
  14. gregbroncs

    gregbroncs Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    I like Neto, I like watching him play more than Rubio. But his defensive liability is a thing. A bad thing, He's better on offense than Rubio or Exum IMO, but the defense makes him worse than both over all.
  15. David Hume

    David Hume Active Member

    Oct 25, 2014
    If he were really the best, maybe that guy Quinn Snyder would have noticed and made him the starter.
  16. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2015
    I don't think Neto's better than those guys offensively either. He's just a solid PG that won't hurt you on the floor coming off the bench for 15 - 20 minutes a night offensively, but I don't really think he's a guy that makes your team better offensively either.

    Brazillian DJ Augustin would be my ceiling for Neto, which is a solid backup PG.
  17. kabenac

    kabenac Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    Neto doesn't have a high ceiling but due to his intelligence he plays knowing his talents and limitations.

    If he were a car I'd say he's the Toyota Camry of point guards.
  18. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2013
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  19. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    That’s a stupid question. Our best pg isn’t even a pg, but if I had it my way, he’d be starting next year
    Lol. The only time he might play against other third stringers is in garbage time, but he has from time to time been in the rotation. He’s better than normal third stringers.
  20. jjscap

    jjscap Well-Known Member

    Mar 27, 2013
    What's the proof that Neto is a defensive liability? He's short? Well CP3 is shorter and he's been doing great in a switch-all defense.
    Utah posted 93.4 DRTG with Neto on the floor last season. That's a pretty large sample size. And it's 102.0 this season, still good enough for league's #1 defense.
    As Daryl Morey recently noted there is no reliable metric to determine individual defensive performance. Team DEFRTG is as good as it gets and most other metrics are only misleading.

    Neto is putting those number mostly against bench guys and is not tested as a starter. He may do well or fail. But a young guy leading the team in NETRTG in consecutive years deserves a role upgrade consideration. And our poor shooting inconsistent PGs make me think Raul Neto may actually help Utah win more games in Q's system.
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