Is the solution to a forum that allows racists to post to just ignore the racists? Really?

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  1. Jason

    Jason Administrator Staff Member

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    For clarity, Dutch’s ban now is permanent. He joins one other person in that status. My apologies for the continued disruptions around him (and others) but I’m a fan of less moderating than perhaps other forums. Anyway, I too hope Bulletproof changes his mind but didn’t appreciate the manner he chose to take this time.
     
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  2. bigb

    bigb Free at last!!! Contributor

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    Dammit Bulletproof.
     
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  3. dalamon

    dalamon Well-Known Member 2018 Prediction Contest Winner

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    pretty sure OP just said he wants the permaban if dutch doesn't get permabanned.

    would've been nice if Jason decided to permaban dutch before he deactivated gameface/bulletproof
     
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  4. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    BP is a baby
     
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  5. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Though his tirade did get Dutch banned, so that is nice.

    I guess GD is now 5% more readable
     
  6. Alfalfa

    Alfalfa Well-Known Member

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    Now that Dutch is gone, I hope Bulletproof reconsiders. Forums are just not the same without you, buddy.
     
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  7. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    No, bulletproof made it very clear that he didn't care to wait to find out what Jason decided to do about dutch. Made no sense to me, and I didn't care for his melodrama either.
     
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  8. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    Count me among those who are shocked that everyone doesn’t have Dutch on ignore. And also among those who are shocked that he hasn’t been permabanned at least a dozen times.
     
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  9. Harambe

    Harambe Well-Known Member Contributor

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    He's reconsidered after a ban by drunk posting, would accomplish and still come back. Old habits die hard.

    Jason,

    After a permanent ban for dutch rudder, how do you feel about DR's time here? Do you think you'll follow the same model in the future?
     
  10. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I think you have to be careful. Suppressing opposing views is a tough call. Dutch was over the top in many respects but it wasn't like he was constantly posting things like "**** all the n-words" and stuff like that. So where is the line drawn? Tough call. One way would be to simply make a blanket rule like "no political posts of any kind" or "no discussions of anything related to protected classes, like race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.". I think if you want a robust and vibrant forum you will end up with some stuff like that from Dutch, which really was mostly borderline and hyperbolic, and then moderate as you can. Or you can always eliminate general discussion and stick exclusively to sports talk. Tough call.
     
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  11. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Also, go back and read Dutch's final post and tell me what is racist about it? I just dida and honestly, what I read was him calling out what he saw as hypocrisy regarding reactions to the recent black face stuff, not that black face should be allowed or is fine. How was it racist? Seriously someone explain it to me, as I'm sure there is something I am missing.
     
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  12. MVP

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    Honestly, since I had Dutch on ignore it was much nicer experience here. Same after I put Jazz and his multiple Exum fan boy club alts on ignore as well. Ignore works. Just use, it folks.
     
  13. Jaymz

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    Giving such a topic any type of attention gives it power. I never saw race. Wasn't ever a deal while I grew up, other than history class. Hard for me to relate to the ignorant people simply because I could have easily been born somewhere else, with different opportunities and paths.

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  14. Jason

    Jason Administrator Staff Member

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    It wasn’t that post in my mind. It was a lifetime achievement honestly. That post that had GF all bent out of shape with blackface was a bit trolling but add that to the history and ... well GF/BP got his way. I must be dense but I didn’t see the outrageousness in Dutch’s final post like some did. It was literally just a straw on the proverbial camel.

    And thank you for admitting, honestly, that moderating is hard lol

    And finally to Harambe, I don’t know if this is a change in practice. Probably not. We have been fine for 20 years with the current approach IMO. Two permabans that stick is a good ratio. Maybe, again, I’m dense.


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  15. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Eh, it's a Utah jazz forum. If you act like a stupid douche all the time and everybody hates you and are annoyed by you then you should be banned.

    You don't have to be careful about suppressing opposing views on a freaking Utah jazz forum.

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  16. Harambe

    Harambe Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Acknowledging that I've been a dick to the staff in the past, I also appreciate your apprehension to dramatically change in any "broad strokes" way. Thank you for answering honestly. In your shoes, I am pretty certain I'd have more than two permabans in 20 years, and perhaps you're on the right path.

    Or you could be dense. I'm certainly not in a position to say.
     
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  17. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    I don’t agree. And like Log said, Dutch sometimes would just analogically make a statement that to me would sometimes have its merits but oftentimes didn’t because of his general blathering idiocy, anti-lib blinders, and 74 grammatical errors that made him seem dumber than he probably is. If that’s even possible.
     
  18. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    Who’s the other (ex-)user on permaban?
     
  19. Jason

    Jason Administrator Staff Member

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    I'll give you three guesses... first two don't count.
     
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  20. Douchebag K

    Douchebag K Well-Known Member

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    It’s about to be a third with MVP for his Exum hate speech lol
     

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