DutchJazzer
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dont forget hamas conveniently started this during world cup. now that world cup is done and Israel retaliates the world only sees what happened after the world cup.
the world got deceived by hamas
Israel Commences Ground Invasion into Gaza.
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dont forget hamas conveniently started this during world cup. now that world cup is done and Israel retaliates the world only sees what happened after the world cup.
the world got deceived by hamas
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only saw picture.
btw that picture is not true and is propaganda
btw where is pre 1947 in that picture ooh wait i got it for you (counter with another picture)
sadly non of these pictures resemble the real honest to god 100% truth.
they are only a snapshot in a very recent/short time
jsut another pciture for you:
Do you have a picture of the situation around 1890???
DutchJazzer
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nah man sorry
DutchJazzer
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to add most arabs did not want the barren deserts of israel.
also did you know israel has no natural recourses like oil.
due to hard work the land has been made good for farming.
so yeah palestine never existed really.
yet lets give em the land promised in a 1947 un crapshoot
Exactly.
Between 1000 BCE and 1920, you'll find most of the land was not owned by Israel.
Dispute that if you dare.
DutchJazzer
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ooh really.
JEWS lived there.
too bad it got occupied by war mongering people.
by that standard iraq and afghanistan now belong to the us of a.
Just show me the map at 1850 and we'll talk.
♪alt13
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@ Ectya
There is no such thing as a war criminal. There are only people that lose wars. It is easy for you and I to see how Dutch is blinded by his cultural perspective but it is much tougher to look at your own cultural blinders and take them down. Why is it a crime for the Israeli's to violate Palestinians right to self determination but not for the Turks to violate the Kurds right to self determination? Why are settlements and ethnic cleansing in the west Bank important but not on the isle of Cyprus? Why isn't the Diyarbakir prison or banning people from speaking their native tongue important?
Human rights are for all people not just our own people.
@Dutch
Can Israel justify its actions in the West Bank by the rockets fired by Hamas from Gaza? Israeli settlements are illegal and immoral. One group has by birth right the right to 90% of the water? To destroy the livelihood of the other? To wall the other off? To have Israeli only roads? To arrest and brutally beat a teenager? (who by the way would never had made the news if he wasn't American)
Human rights are for all people not just our own people.
There is no such thing as a war criminal. There are only people that lose wars. It is easy for you and I to see how Dutch is blinded by his cultural perspective but it is much tougher to look at your own cultural blinders and take them down. Why is it a crime for the Israeli's to violate Palestinians right to self determination but not for the Turks to violate the Kurds right to self determination? Why are settlements and ethnic cleansing in the west Bank important but not on the isle of Cyprus? Why isn't the Diyarbakir prison or banning people from speaking their native tongue important?
Human rights are for all people not just our own people.
@Dutch
Can Israel justify its actions in the West Bank by the rockets fired by Hamas from Gaza? Israeli settlements are illegal and immoral. One group has by birth right the right to 90% of the water? To destroy the livelihood of the other? To wall the other off? To have Israeli only roads? To arrest and brutally beat a teenager? (who by the way would never had made the news if he wasn't American)
Human rights are for all people not just our own people.
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DutchJazzer
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lets put things a bit in perspective.
this is not about land this is about hate.
gonna show you the jewish/zionist perspective.
this is what jews believes belongs to them:
ok now this is what they have "taken"
or if you go by a "more aggressive" map
for sake of argument.
now lets compare the first map to the 2nd or 3rd(whichever you like)
now the jews truly believe the first map(give or take a few acres of land depending on the sect) that that is jewish land.
yet they only took a portion of that.
now if you analyse the first map and you see iraq/saudie Arabia and jordan on there. just soak in how much natural resources(namely oil is there).
compare that to the land israel took, and ask yourself what natural recourses they took.
1. minerals, namely from the dead sea. (which jordan, palestine also have acces to).
2. crude oil (10 barrels a day) vs syria 368 barrels, iraq 3000 barrels per day, saudi arabia 10.000 barrels per day.
3. other various worthless ****. some wood, metal etc.
in other words out of all the land israel "took/got" the most worthless peace of land when it comes to natural recourses.
israel "chose" to keep their holyland above natural recourses land. while according to them they have the right to all of it
israel worked hard to get the technology industry going and the agricultural(for example cpu's form intel and oranges(+orange juice).
israel takes up0.1% of the middle east. and it is the only jewish state in the world surrounded by 22 arab states.
yet of those 22 arab state non is taking in those gaza and palestinian refugees.
this is how some arabs/muslim live
or
while there muslim brothers live like this
they are fighting the wrong enemy.
stop fighting for the 0.1% of middle east. and move around to the other arab states. ooh wait those arab states dont want them.
this is all about "holy land"
TL;DR
they should move on. they got rich muslim brothers. in 22 states.
this is not about land this is about hate.
gonna show you the jewish/zionist perspective.
this is what jews believes belongs to them:
ok now this is what they have "taken"
or if you go by a "more aggressive" map
for sake of argument.
now lets compare the first map to the 2nd or 3rd(whichever you like)
now the jews truly believe the first map(give or take a few acres of land depending on the sect) that that is jewish land.
yet they only took a portion of that.
now if you analyse the first map and you see iraq/saudie Arabia and jordan on there. just soak in how much natural resources(namely oil is there).
compare that to the land israel took, and ask yourself what natural recourses they took.
1. minerals, namely from the dead sea. (which jordan, palestine also have acces to).
2. crude oil (10 barrels a day) vs syria 368 barrels, iraq 3000 barrels per day, saudi arabia 10.000 barrels per day.
3. other various worthless ****. some wood, metal etc.
in other words out of all the land israel "took/got" the most worthless peace of land when it comes to natural recourses.
israel "chose" to keep their holyland above natural recourses land. while according to them they have the right to all of it
israel worked hard to get the technology industry going and the agricultural(for example cpu's form intel and oranges(+orange juice).
israel takes up0.1% of the middle east. and it is the only jewish state in the world surrounded by 22 arab states.
yet of those 22 arab state non is taking in those gaza and palestinian refugees.
this is how some arabs/muslim live
or
while there muslim brothers live like this
they are fighting the wrong enemy.
stop fighting for the 0.1% of middle east. and move around to the other arab states. ooh wait those arab states dont want them.
this is all about "holy land"
TL;DR
they should move on. they got rich muslim brothers. in 22 states.
DutchJazzer
Banned
Saudi arabie can accept the whole of gaza as refugees.
saudie arabia has a population of 29,994,272
a gdp per capita of 31.309.
surely they can accept a measly 1.6 million people(gdp per capita 6100).
israel did it for example: operation moses, Operation Yaghin, Operatoion Kanfy Nesharim.
accepting jewish refugees from everywhere.
22 arab countries and not one does it.
saudie arabia has a population of 29,994,272
a gdp per capita of 31.309.
surely they can accept a measly 1.6 million people(gdp per capita 6100).
israel did it for example: operation moses, Operation Yaghin, Operatoion Kanfy Nesharim.
accepting jewish refugees from everywhere.
22 arab countries and not one does it.
DutchJazzer
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no Israelite would ever waste money like this:
while there people suffer like they do in gaza
.
lets wipe out the jewish state while 22 arabs state can prosper as a collective.
too bad the arabs dont unite.
while there people suffer like they do in gaza
lets wipe out the jewish state while 22 arabs state can prosper as a collective.
too bad the arabs dont unite.
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You're gonna get kicked out of your house today and be adopted by some expat dutch guy living in Australia.
Would you go?
Would you go?