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Go back and read the bipartisan Senate report, and the Mueller report. You can repeat this bs until the cows come home. It will never be a factual statement. There was enough collusion to choke a horse.

Let me teach you... again. I explained this all to you at the time but you continued to spew conspiracies that you made up out of thin air.

In mid-2016, the FBI got word that Russian intelligence believed Hillary Clinton’s campaign was planning to frame Donald Trump as colluding with Russia’s Vladimir Putin to hack her computers. Yet somehow, the crack agents never connected the dots when handed the Steele “dossier” commissioned and paid for by the Clinton campaign that claimed Trump was colluding with Putin.

Instead, the Justice Department used that dossier as a pretext to spy on at least Trump aide Carter Page as it investigated the clearly spurious charges. Justice also distorted the facts about Page’s past relations with the CIA to suggest he had a history of working with Russian agents when his actual record involved turning them in. Meanwhile, it buried the fact that Steele’s main source was himself a suspected Russian agent.

Nor did it connect the dots to another “Russiagate” lead, the third-hand rumors passed along by a Clinton-allied diplomat that supposedly implicated another Trump aide, George Papadopoulos.

The news of the 2016 intel comes from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe’s gradual release of Russiagate records — which show that the true scandal was the investigation itself.

The US intel community found it was authentic Russian analysis, though it couldn’t judge the veracity of the claim. And President Barack Obama was briefed on it, per his CIA director, John Brennan. In notes also released last week, Brennan describes telling Obama about the “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 28 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to villify [sic] Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”

Brennan, as Andrew C. McCarthy details in his book “Ball of Collusion,” was the main driver of the early Russiagate investigation. Soon after the start of Crossfire Hurricane (as the investigation was code-named), Brennan briefed Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on alleged Russian election interference. Reid then wrote to then-FBI Director James Comey, warning him not to ignore “the evidence of a direct connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.” Reid pointed to reporting that said Page had met Kremlin agents in Moscow — information that came from the Steele dossier, which was nothing but gossip fed to Steele by a man America deemed a security risk.

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Soon the FBI began applying to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a surveillance warrant on Page — applications the DOJ inspector general later found riddled with errors and misstatements.

Files unsealed in the final stages of Michael Flynn’s years-long court struggle reveal a real stunner — confirmation that President Barack Obama played a central role in foisting the whole phony Russiagate “scandal” on the country.

Notes handwritten by (now-disgraced) FBI agent Peter Strzok show Obama, with then-Veep Joe Biden playing along, encouraging the FBI and Justice Department’s investigation of Flynn, even as they were told his actions “appear legit.”

The document, plainly Strzok’s notes of FBI chief Jim Comey’s account, offer more details of the Jan. 5, 2017, Oval Office meeting of Obama, Biden, Comey, national security adviser Susan Rice and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates.

On learning that the FBI was set to close its investigation into Flynn after finding no evidence of wrongdoing, Obama and Biden suggested finding ways to keep it open, with Biden bringing up the (dead letter) Logan Act.

More, the notes have Obama ordering that the continued investigation be kept secret from the incoming president and his people: “Make sure you look at things and have the right people on it.”

 
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Overall, would you say these punishments have been productive or counter-productive? If you think they are productive, what punishments do you think would be appropriate for the Palestinian people?

Neither Japan nor Germany have attacked anyone in the past 80 years and they were punished severely. Germany was punished much more severely in 1945 as opposed to 1918, but for all the claims that Versailles caused WW2, the post-WW2 treaties didn't seem to send Germany on a vengeful rampage.

And no, I don't think the current treatment of Palestinians is justified. Last 20 years have been a dark time in Israel's history and the treatment of Palestinians has been abhorrent, but we don't have a time machine so we have to work with the reality on the ground. There will not be a one-state solution, there will not be a military defeat and destruction of Israel, there will not be any sort of return of refugees, and a Palestinian state will not include any part of Jerusalem. Pretending that any of this is otherwise doesn't do anyone any favours.

"Free Palestine" and "End the Occupation" are nice sentiments, but they're nothing more than bumper sticker slogans. They're not blueprints for a solution. They're not even actual proposals for it.
 
Try telling me Manafort wasn’t helping the Russians help the Donald. You can’t. That’s collusion. Oh, BTW, Durham was not the last word. The histories will be far, far, far different, and Durham will be a laughing stock in those same histories…
I think Durham, from what I have read of it, produced a fair report. He found almost no wrong-doing (a couple of paperwork errors), and said the investigation should have been preliminary rather than full. That some people took this as exoneration is not the fault of the Durham report.
 
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Hamas was democratically elected.

and Created by Israel. Something everyone should read in this tweet.... we've seen this story before with Al Queda, Saddam Hussain, ISIS, the Taliban, Noriega and countless others. This is the playbook that the US follows- we have done this countless times over and over. As he says it's long past time for this practice to end.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation.&quot;<br><br>These are the words of Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for decades.<br><br>As you watch the death and destruction that is currently unfolding in Israel and Palestine, it&#39;s important for you… <a href="https://t.co/u0KN8fa4kT">pic.twitter.com/u0KN8fa4kT</a></p>&mdash; Spike Cohen (@RealSpikeCohen) <a href="
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">October 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For more details about this, read this article from 2009.<a href="https://t.co/fedxDu2iyv">https://t.co/fedxDu2iyv</a></p>&mdash; Spike Cohen (@RealSpikeCohen) <a href="
View: https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1710792126361919909?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
">October 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-makes-hamas-massacre-israelis-174536214.html

The context is important. We are just days removed from a terrorist attack that has been described as Israel’s 9/11. Babies were killed and their bodies desecrated. Women were raped. Elderly people were abducted. Hostages (including Americans) are missing. The nation is still mourning.

And, in the wake of all of this, Trump thinks this is a good time to dredge up an old indignity by the prime minister—someone he had previously lavished with praise and called a friend.

It’s about him. It’s always about him. In the wake of Hamas’ savage terrorist attack on Israel, former president and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump somehow found a way to make this all about him.

During a speech in West Palm Beach on Wednesday, Trump criticized Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, over a past perceived slight, and praised Hezbollah terrorists—who have been exchanging fire with the Israel Defense Forces on a second front in the North of Israel—as “smart.”

“I’ll never forget that Bibi Netanyahu let us down. That was a very terrible thing,” Trump said. (Note: Trump’s invocation of the words “never forget” is likely accidental, if extraordinarily insensitive. But what else would we expect from a man who adopted the “America First” slogan?)

Trump later added that, after the mission to take out Suleimani was successful, “Bibi tried to take credit for it.”

Translation: Never mind the terrorist attack, Trump is the real victim.

Regardless of the merit of this (the veracity has yet to be confirmed), there is a time to air grievances and there is a time to comfort our friends. For any normal human being, this moment would call for the latter.
But who could be surprised? One of Trump’s first big political “scandals” came when he attacked John McCain, a former prisoner of war, for being captured.

Of course, there’s more to Trump’s criticism of Bibi than meets the eye. There’s always more to the story when it comes to Trump.

Trump—who loves to praise evil strongmen like Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un—wouldn’t publicly criticize Bibi were it not for another perceived slight.

This affront was much worse and borderline unpardonable: After Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, Netanyahu congratulated him.
If there’s one thing that really annoys Trump, it’s people who aren’t willing to perpetuate his big lie.

Say what you will about Bibi; he wasn’t about to let Trump’s reality distortion field force him to take sides against the man who was likely to be the next POTUS.

In Trump’s warped mind, though, Bibi should have been more loyal to Trump than he is to the truth… or Israel.

“Nobody did more for Bibi. And I liked Bibi... But I also like loyalty... Bibi could have stayed quiet. He has made a terrible mistake,” Trump was quoted as saying at the time, before adding: “I haven’t spoken to him since. F—- him.”
It’s tempting to dismiss Trump’s blather as laughable, but the stakes are high. At a time when Ukraine and Israel both face serious threats, should the leader of the free world be a thin-skinned and capricious president who puts his own ego above all else?

Does America really want four more years of chaos and a president who is harder on allies than dictators?
 
Another russia thing I just ran into on yahoo:
Kushner attended a now-infamous meeting between Donald Trump Jr., former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and a woman described as a Russian government lawyer offering dirt on Hillary Clinton.

While the report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller found “sweeping and systematic” Russian interference in the 2016 election, it did not find evidence that anyone on Trump’s campaign was complicity in those efforts.

Kushner also met with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, in December, shortly after Trump won the 2016 election, along with Michael Flynn, who would become Trump’s first national security adviser. Kushner and Kislyak reportedly discussed a secure communications line between the Trump transition team the the Kremlin.

Hella smoke around a dude who has a huge history of corruption, cheating, lying, stealing, and criming. I would bet there is some fire there. Luckily for trump, the presidency shielded him somewhat.

And some fun in the comments section:
Donny the Despot did brag about "sharing classified info about an ally in the region". It's ironic that Israel and the US are trying to figure out how Israel's Defenses were breeched. 2B dollar investment for an American presidential advisor? Very suspicious.

Do not forget that 2 years earlier Jared got 1.1 BILLION from Qatar for the 666 Building . Jared brokered a deal so the Saudi's ended a blockade on Qatar . Qatar paid a White House employee ???

Qatar had initially refused to give Jared and his father the money for the 666 bldg. so Trump along with Jared collided with the Saudi Prince to put a blockade on Qatar. Qatar relented and gave Jared the 1.1 billion to pay off the loan on the 666 bldg. Also it been said that Jared did hand over classified documents to the Saudi Prince. What they were, it wasn’t said.

Didn't Trump brag about sharing information from an ally in the region about ISIS? And didn't Biden's special envoy to Iran, Robert Malley, recently get suspended for "mishandling secret information" with no addtional details provided?

Intel to the Saudis, who gave it to the Russians, who gave it to the Palestinians who now knew a weak spot in Israeli defenses and then attacked that weakness. Donald and Jared sold out the Israelis but for different reasons. Jared did so Israel would have an excuse to wipe out the Palestinians once and for all and so he could buy land there with his share of the 2 bil. Oh wait Donald did the same thing. Well that’s my conspiracy theory anyway.
 
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