SteakNEggs
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Yup I admitted it in my edit. I'm guilty but you are the one who brought him up and had a fit. I am guilty too though. I'm moving on though. Its in bad taste and I recognize that.
My bad.
Israel-Hamas War
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Mongoose
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WH propaganda - "Iran funded Hamas"
Pointing the finger at Iran- I think the WH wants WW3
This is the stuff people should be worried about, not whatever trump is saying. People should be paying attention to what the White House says. Why is the WH trying to escalate conflict through lies?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JOHN KIRBY: "Hamas wouldn't have been able to function at all had it not been for propping up by the Iranian regime!"<br><br>Who propped up the Tehran John?<br><br>Who did it John? <br><br>Who? <br><br>You and your colleagues. Blood is on your ****ing hands! <a href="https://t.co/oFQYZTSY8c">pic.twitter.com/oFQYZTSY8c</a></p>— Bryan E. Leib (@BryanLeibFL) <a href="
View: https://twitter.com/BryanLeibFL/status/1712167948553527362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
">October 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Pointing the finger at Iran- I think the WH wants WW3
This is the stuff people should be worried about, not whatever trump is saying. People should be paying attention to what the White House says. Why is the WH trying to escalate conflict through lies?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JOHN KIRBY: "Hamas wouldn't have been able to function at all had it not been for propping up by the Iranian regime!"<br><br>Who propped up the Tehran John?<br><br>Who did it John? <br><br>Who? <br><br>You and your colleagues. Blood is on your ****ing hands! <a href="https://t.co/oFQYZTSY8c">pic.twitter.com/oFQYZTSY8c</a></p>— Bryan E. Leib (@BryanLeibFL) <a href="
View: https://twitter.com/BryanLeibFL/status/1712167948553527362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
">October 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Had a fit lol. That is rich.
The Israeli playbook, yell and call people Nazi's if they are slightly critical of Israel
FalseFlagg K
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the only hope is if the more enlightened younger generations can get together and at least start talking.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jj8vne0ca0
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jj8vne0ca0
Al-O-Meter
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There is going to be information saying Iran knew and Iran didn't know but I'm watching what is happening. Yesterday Israel hit Syria. They took out the runways at the Damascus and Aleppo airports with missiles launched from Israel. Do you know what Syria did to retaliate? Nothing.
The United States is letting everyone know that we are in control. We are being crystal clear in our messaging to Syria, Lebanon, and Iran. If they put a foot wrong, we will kill them. In years past, that would be an opportunity for Russia to swoop in to protect but we have depleted Russia by giving the Ukrainians whatever outdated weapons we had lying around. Russia can't offer to protect Syria with their best S-400 anit-aircraft systems because Russia needs every one that is still functioning. Russia can't even send their older S-300. As for the now ancient S-200, they don't exist because Russia converted them into guided missiles to shoot at Kyiv 12 months ago. We have bled Russia and the world knows it.
I'm absolutely convinced the stories being published in our high profile newspapers are simply giving Syria, Lebanon, and Iran the fig leaf they need to not do something stupid.
There is no solution to this any time soon. Both sides have countries committed heinous atrocities. They both hate each other and view each other sub human. They both think they are on the ride side of their deity. Even if things are peaceful it will take multiple generations to move on from this.
You treat people like animals and they will bite you. Israel needs to stop acting like victims, they are not at all. But these acts are also disgusting.
You treat people like animals and they will bite you. Israel needs to stop acting like victims, they are not at all. But these acts are also disgusting.
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Red
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Always about himself, and how he’s wronged. What does Trump gain rehashing stuff like this about Netanyahu, just at this time? Such a colossal jerk….
thehill.com
“Israel’s communications minister said recent comments by former President Trump criticizing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and complimenting the Hezbollah militant group “wound the spirit of Israel’s fighters and its citizens.”
Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi told Israel’s Channel 13 it is “shameful that a man like that, a former U.S. president, abets propaganda and disseminates things that wound the spirit of Israel’s fighters and its citizens,” according to The Associated Press.
We don’t have to bother with him and the nonsense he spouts,” Karhi added.
Trump’s comments Wednesday night came amid deadly fighting between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which began with a surprise attack by Hamas on Saturday that killed hundreds of Israelis. Israel has been pounding the Gaza Strip with aerial attacks this week in response and has promised to eliminate Hamas.
Trump accused Netanyahu of failing to cooperate on a U.S. drone strike that killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the notorious head of Iran’s elite Quds Force, but later claiming credit for the attack.
“We had everything all set to go, and the night before it happened, I got a call that Israel will not be participating in this attack,” Trump said at a rally in Florida.
“We were disappointed by that. Very disappointed,” he added. “But we did the job ourselves, with absolute precision … and then Bibi tried to take credit for it.”
slate.com
Israeli minister says Trump’s comments ‘wound the spirit of Israel’s fighters’
Israel’s communications minister said recent comments by former President Trump criticizing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and complimenting the Hezbollah militant group “wound the spirit of Isr…
thehill.com
“Israel’s communications minister said recent comments by former President Trump criticizing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and complimenting the Hezbollah militant group “wound the spirit of Israel’s fighters and its citizens.”
Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi told Israel’s Channel 13 it is “shameful that a man like that, a former U.S. president, abets propaganda and disseminates things that wound the spirit of Israel’s fighters and its citizens,” according to The Associated Press.
We don’t have to bother with him and the nonsense he spouts,” Karhi added.
Trump’s comments Wednesday night came amid deadly fighting between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which began with a surprise attack by Hamas on Saturday that killed hundreds of Israelis. Israel has been pounding the Gaza Strip with aerial attacks this week in response and has promised to eliminate Hamas.
Trump accused Netanyahu of failing to cooperate on a U.S. drone strike that killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the notorious head of Iran’s elite Quds Force, but later claiming credit for the attack.
“We had everything all set to go, and the night before it happened, I got a call that Israel will not be participating in this attack,” Trump said at a rally in Florida.
“We were disappointed by that. Very disappointed,” he added. “But we did the job ourselves, with absolute precision … and then Bibi tried to take credit for it.”
The More You Think About This Trump Speech, the Worse It Gets
Trump’s ignorance and arrogance is more appalling the more closely you examine his speech.
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Red
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In that same comment, I said:
I think we both know Hamas is not an ally of the United States. I made it clear I was talking about the democratically elected leaders of our allies. And we all know Trump’s trashed many of those. He even rudely tossed candy at Angela Markel, while saying “don’t say I never gave you anything”. Such a crude buffoon. He talks s*** about and to our friends, praises strongmen. It’s a pathetic display.
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Israel orders the evacuation of 1.1 million people from northern part of Gaza, the UN says
Israel’s military has directed the evacuation of northern Gaza, a region that is home to 1.1 million people, within 24 hours. That's according to a U.N. spokesman.
apnews.com
“Israel’s military on Friday directed the evacuation of northern Gaza, a region that is home to 1.1 million people — about half of the territory’s population — within 24 hours, a U.N. spokesman said.
This could signal an impending ground offensive, though the Israeli military has not yet confirmed such an appeal. On Thursday it said that while it was preparing, a decision has not yet been made.
The order, delivered to the U.N., comes as Israel presses an offensive against Hamas militants. U.N. spokesman Stéphane Dujarric called the order “impossible” without “devastating humanitarian consequences.”
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I found this article to be a good read: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-timed-attack-deliberately-now-151255255.html
A few snippets:
Until this weekend, Israelis seemed confident that Hamas was not looking for another large-scale conflict. Some observers have speculated that this attack has something to do with a normalization deal in the works between Saudi Arabia and Israel. The two countries have been negotiating over opening up diplomatic relations. Maybe Hamas’ goal was to whip up tension and disrupt those talks?
Gregg Carlstrom: I think it will certainly delay efforts at a normalization deal, and that is not for Hamas an unwelcome side effect of this, but I think their considerations are much more local or are domestic. If you look at the situation in the Palestinian territories, you have a succession crisis brewing in the West Bank, where the president—Mahmoud Abbas, 87 years old, not in great health—doesn’t have a clear successor, but there’s going to be a change of power soon. There haven’t been elections in Palestine in almost 18 years now, but there’s a moment where it seems like a political change is coming. And to me, a lot of this has to do with those domestic politics, with Hamas trying to do something that boosts its popularity amongst Palestinians ahead of a political change.
You’ve called attention to this analysis in Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, saying that Israel’s got four bad options. Now, can you just lay out what those options are?
The first one is not a military option. It’s to make a deal, a prisoner swap with Hamas [around] these dozens of Israelis who’ve been taken hostage and brought back to Gaza. The point of capturing them was obviously to exchange them, as Israel has done in the past. In 2011, for example, [Israel] freed about 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who had been held in Gaza for five years. Hamas would like to make a similar deal and hand over these hostages in exchange for thousands of Palestinians who were being held in Israel.
That does not seem likely, given how brutal the attack was.
No, it doesn’t. I think neither the political class nor the public right now is in any mood to make a deal.
So that leaves you with more-military responses, one of which is what Israel has done in past wars, which is a campaign of aerial bombing against Gaza, which has already started. That has been in the past, and that will be, again, devastating for Palestinians. In 2014, during that long war, you had thousands of people killed. You had tens of thousands of people who were left homeless afterwards. And at the end of that, the concern in Israel is that you do all of that and you don’t actually change the status quo. In Gaza, you don’t remove Hamas from power by doing that. You don’t, perhaps, seriously degrade its military capabilities, and so this cycle might continue to repeat.
So then, the other two options that have been floated, one of them is to tighten even further this blockade of Gaza and essentially try to starve not just Hamas but 2 million people into submission. That is more or less what Israel has been doing for the past 16 or 17 years, and it hasn’t worked. The blockade has immiserated Gaza. It has left it at a point where two-thirds of the population is unemployed; 80 percent of people need humanitarian aid to survive. It has destroyed the economy, but it has not brought political change. So that’s not really a viable option either.
And the last is to go ahead with a ground offensive, which will be devastating for everyone involved.
A few snippets:
Until this weekend, Israelis seemed confident that Hamas was not looking for another large-scale conflict. Some observers have speculated that this attack has something to do with a normalization deal in the works between Saudi Arabia and Israel. The two countries have been negotiating over opening up diplomatic relations. Maybe Hamas’ goal was to whip up tension and disrupt those talks?
Gregg Carlstrom: I think it will certainly delay efforts at a normalization deal, and that is not for Hamas an unwelcome side effect of this, but I think their considerations are much more local or are domestic. If you look at the situation in the Palestinian territories, you have a succession crisis brewing in the West Bank, where the president—Mahmoud Abbas, 87 years old, not in great health—doesn’t have a clear successor, but there’s going to be a change of power soon. There haven’t been elections in Palestine in almost 18 years now, but there’s a moment where it seems like a political change is coming. And to me, a lot of this has to do with those domestic politics, with Hamas trying to do something that boosts its popularity amongst Palestinians ahead of a political change.
You’ve called attention to this analysis in Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, saying that Israel’s got four bad options. Now, can you just lay out what those options are?
The first one is not a military option. It’s to make a deal, a prisoner swap with Hamas [around] these dozens of Israelis who’ve been taken hostage and brought back to Gaza. The point of capturing them was obviously to exchange them, as Israel has done in the past. In 2011, for example, [Israel] freed about 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who had been held in Gaza for five years. Hamas would like to make a similar deal and hand over these hostages in exchange for thousands of Palestinians who were being held in Israel.
That does not seem likely, given how brutal the attack was.
No, it doesn’t. I think neither the political class nor the public right now is in any mood to make a deal.
So that leaves you with more-military responses, one of which is what Israel has done in past wars, which is a campaign of aerial bombing against Gaza, which has already started. That has been in the past, and that will be, again, devastating for Palestinians. In 2014, during that long war, you had thousands of people killed. You had tens of thousands of people who were left homeless afterwards. And at the end of that, the concern in Israel is that you do all of that and you don’t actually change the status quo. In Gaza, you don’t remove Hamas from power by doing that. You don’t, perhaps, seriously degrade its military capabilities, and so this cycle might continue to repeat.
So then, the other two options that have been floated, one of them is to tighten even further this blockade of Gaza and essentially try to starve not just Hamas but 2 million people into submission. That is more or less what Israel has been doing for the past 16 or 17 years, and it hasn’t worked. The blockade has immiserated Gaza. It has left it at a point where two-thirds of the population is unemployed; 80 percent of people need humanitarian aid to survive. It has destroyed the economy, but it has not brought political change. So that’s not really a viable option either.
And the last is to go ahead with a ground offensive, which will be devastating for everyone involved.
Isaiah 1:13
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The UN creation of a Jewish State following WWII was surely a fools folly and a recipe for disaster. In 48 when Israel declared its’ independence, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced in Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign. The UN afforded these people refugee facilities in surrounding Arab Countries like Syria, Jordan and Egypt. The Gaza Strip, originally Egypt occupied, was one such Palestinian refugee location. Israel took control after the 6 day war of 67. With control of its airspace, waterways and borders (walls & check points) and now with over 2 million residents in an urban sprawl of only 141 square miles, conditions are squalid in the best of times. Of course having Hamas which is a resistance organization (committed to the expulsion of Israel).in charge as opposed to the Palestinian Authority (West Bank) only exacerbates the situation for Gaza. And yet this grossly overpopulated area not given the means or economic assistance to develop is forced to buy its water and electricity from Israel.
Clearly not a bonafide two state system as Israel has total control even to the extent that Netanyahu will slice off a piece of that 141 square miles whenever he pleases to accommodate another Jewish settlement. For people who know of the restrictions and abuses, Gaza is referred to as an open prison.
I’m clearly no authority having only recently cobbled together most of my knowledge in order to try to comprehend the rage and utter ruthlessness that propelled the Hamas slaughter of Israelis in the raid. But Israel’s response of seizure and indiscriminate bombing (over 1400 Palestinians currently confirmed dead, over 400 of which are Children according to CNN), is in violation of Geneva Accords and also morally unjustifiable and reprehensible. My only concern here presently is the termination of this genocidal drive to exterminate imposed by Netanyahu.
Clearly not a bonafide two state system as Israel has total control even to the extent that Netanyahu will slice off a piece of that 141 square miles whenever he pleases to accommodate another Jewish settlement. For people who know of the restrictions and abuses, Gaza is referred to as an open prison.
I’m clearly no authority having only recently cobbled together most of my knowledge in order to try to comprehend the rage and utter ruthlessness that propelled the Hamas slaughter of Israelis in the raid. But Israel’s response of seizure and indiscriminate bombing (over 1400 Palestinians currently confirmed dead, over 400 of which are Children according to CNN), is in violation of Geneva Accords and also morally unjustifiable and reprehensible. My only concern here presently is the termination of this genocidal drive to exterminate imposed by Netanyahu.
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