It Appears Science has Faulted Once Again in the Face of Overwhelming Religious Evidence

[Jazz Spazz]

Just like the stories of Sherlock Holmes.

Impressive. I wouldn't have thought an ancient collection of books would reference the times they're written in.

(Nate505)

And the Chronicles of Narnia!

Just like a book written about the story of your lives. Thousands of years from now (we) could go ahead and prove some of the places you lived or reference are real but couldn't prove any of the stories you tell. Just because they are amazing and seem far fetched to you does not mean they are not true.

You guys must feel super smart for telling people the bible is not true, feel better now? I bet you do... but it's short lived.
You'll find something else to try to tear down soon... I'm not worried. Anyone build a nearby sandcastle... or real castle... you can get to work on?

 

[Nate505]

You mean back then people really did live until 900 and they managed to stuff every animal in the world on a boat to save the animal kingdom and humanity from a non-global warming caused flood that destroyed the whole world? That actually happened and wasn't just a parable to teach people about the dangers of sin?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

You mean back then people really did live until 900 and they managed to stuff every animal in the world on a boat to save the animal kingdom and humanity from a non-global warming caused flood that destroyed the whole world? That actually happened and wasn't just a parable to teach people about the dangers of sin?

Sure. You got a problem with that?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

(Nate505)
You guys must feel super smart for telling people the bible is not true, feel better now? I bet you do... but it's short lived.
You'll find something else to try to tear down soon... I'm not worried. Anyone build a nearby sandcastle... or real castle... you can get to work on?

Do you tell this to people, especially teenagers, who tell you the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and the Tooth Fairy don't exist?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Do you tell this to people, especially teenagers, who tell you the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and the Tooth Fairy don't exist?

You must feel like a tough guy comparing scripture to the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and the Tooth Fairy. You been working out? Feeling pretty confident, right?

 

[Siro]

(Nate505)


Just like a book written about the story of your lives. Thousands of years from now (we) could go ahead and prove some of the places you lived or reference are real but couldn't prove any of the stories you tell. Just because they are amazing and seem far fetched to you does not mean they are not true.

You guys must feel super smart for telling people the bible is not true, feel better now? I bet you do... but it's short lived.
You'll find something else to try to tear down soon... I'm not worried. Anyone build a nearby sandcastle... or real castle... you can get to work on?

My silly comment hurt your feelings? Come on now.

I agree that something is not necessarily untrue just because it's far fetched. But what if it has not one, but dozens of far fetched stories? What if the non-story parts are also far fetched? What if the very basis of it is far fetched? When can we decide something is far fetched enough to be safely ignored, regardless of how emotionally attached some people find themselves?

It's a bit egotistical to expect those who don't possess one's specific brand of faith to just accept the imposition of an incredibly far fetched idea in order to spare the feelings of some. Specially when we're in desperate need for real solutions to real problems.

P.S. I'm talking about the senator's nonsense.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

You must feel like a tough guy comparing scripture to the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and the Tooth Fairy. You been working out? Feeling pretty confident, right?

This makes absolutely no sense. I ask a question. You refuse to answer because you think it backed you into a corner. How about answering the question instead of resorting to useless banter and veiled insults?

 

[colton]

“I would point out that if you’re a believer in the Bible, one would have to say the Great Flood is an example of climate change and that certainly wasn’t because mankind had overdeveloped hydrocarbon energy,”

For me, the stupidity in the comment doesn't at all relate to whether or not someone believes the Bible to be literally true. It's the implied notion that no other types of climate change could possibly occur. Where's the logic in that, even if one does believe in a literal Great Flood?

 

[Siro]

I also wanted to add the Mormons should be the last people to criticize others for spreading their ideas. You know, coming from a society that sends its children on missions to change people's beliefs and recruit them into their fold.

It's just a bit hypocritical.

 

[Stoked]

I also wanted to add the Mormons should be the last people to criticize others for spreading their ideas. You know, coming from a society that sends its children on missions to change people's beliefs and recruit them into their fold.

It's just a bit hypocritical.

Spreading ideas sure. Mocking the ideas of others...

Edit: I have no dog in this fight. Just a general observation.

 

[Nate505]

Sure. You got a problem with that?

While it's all absurd, the 900 year age of man back in the days of not medicine is especially laughable.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Sure. You got a problem with that?

As long as you (or whoever) don't bring that silliness* to government, not really.

*I predict a lot of hurt feelings over the use of this word. I guess I would just ask if the stories and claims behind Scientology sound silly. Or the story of Paul Bunyan.

 

[The Thriller]

Can we please get back to the op?

So another (repub) politician is using the bible to bash science and to dismiss global warming. Remember back a few months after the GOP had their asses handed to them by the Obamanator? Remember when some of their party declared that they must change their ways, break the old white guy crazy mold, and become more in touch with Americans? More importantly, become more moderate??? Ummm yeah, Looks like the GOP sure learned its lesson. Some things just never change.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy claimed that the sun revolved around the earth. Or came up with a different classification for rape... Legitimate rape or not... Or if a woman becomes pregnant after being raped that it was all a part of god's plan.

In the end, this will only cost the GOP more votes. And hurt America. We need folks who can critically think, analyze, and approach serious issues with open minds. Not feel like it is their duty to destroy scientific findings because they feel it is against their religion.

Europe sucked during the dark ages. The renaissance was a good thing. You need to have separation of church and state for a healthy democracy. Disagree? Visit Iran. Or read about Europe under the catholic ccurch's brutal reign.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Talk like that and he gonna get re-elected in the south.

 

[The Thriller]

Talk like that and he gonna get re-elected in the south.

Excellent point.

Is he pandering to a few nutcakes in his district? Or do most of his constituency believe as he does? If this is the case then you have to wonder how much longer the USA will survive. Again, we have seen church run states and it isn't a pretty scene. Especially the Christian run states of europe a number of centuries back, yikes!

Or trying to score points with some televangelist who contributes a lot to his campaign? Or is some oil company paying him off?

Further evidence that we really need to get special interest the hell out of politics.

does he truly believe what he says? Doubt it. If he does, then it sounds like the GOP has found themselves another nutcake. So much for finding moderates...

I'm guessing that there is something more here than meets the eye.

 

[One Brow]

You guys must feel super smart for telling people the bible is not true, feel better now?

Technically, I just pointed out that a claimed evidence for the Bible being historically accurate was bad evidence. No, it doesn't really improve my mood.

You'll find something else to try to tear down soon... I'm not worried. Anyone build a nearby sandcastle... or real castle... you can get to work on?

You can keep people safe just by making sure some buildings don't get built, or when they are built, that they are forced to post a warning sign outside on how unsafe they are.

Less metaphorically, I don't expect anyone to drop the idea of God based on rational arguments. If it happens, it will happen when they no longer find what they need from the idea of God, and the argument will at best be a "straw-breaking" event.

 

[One Brow]

It's the implied notion that no other types of climate change could possibly occur.

Not sure what you mean. Scientists have been measuring the changes in the past climates for decades. By all measurement, climate has never changed as quickly as it is currently changing. That's the reason for worry.

 

[colton]

Not sure what you mean. Scientists have been measuring the changes in the past climates for decades. By all measurement, climate has never changed as quickly as it is currently changing. That's the reason for worry.

You totally misunderstood my post. I was saying that the guy's view is incomprehensible; his logic doesn't make sense even if you grant a literal interpretation of scripture. His "logic" is apparently that since climate change once occurred through the hand of God, it's impossible that any other type of climate change could occur. That makes no sense.

 

[One Brow]

You totally misunderstood my post. I was saying that the guy's view is incomprehensible; his logic doesn't make sense even if you grant a literal interpretation of scripture. His "logic" is apparently that since climate change once occurred through the hand of God, it's impossible that any other type of climate change could occur. That makes no sense.

Thank you for correcting my understanding.

 

[TroutBum]

But you can't deny the Bible has very historical references in it.

Just like the stories of Sherlock Holmes.

OneBlow took the words out of my mouth, except I was going to say "Twilight". It's a saga.

Now that right there is a genius statement.

Coming from the Queen of genius statements... Get back under the bridge.

I think there is plenty of room in congress for people who believe in god and his Devine Plane (or whatever). Anyone who takes 15 minutes to learn about the history of the bible and how it's been re-written and re-translated dozens and dozens of times over the last thousand plus years into its present form knows that it is basically a collection of fables meant to keep the masses in line. Treating it as an actual historical document to refute modern scientific evidence is a little bit beyond laughable.

No more so than your sad attempt to belittle them for their beliefs. If you did not mean it that way than great but that is how it sounds.

I didn't find it offensive at all, Stoked. Even though I know Candrew from this board, and know that he's not trying to be a douche, I still don't think I'd be offended. As a card carrying Mo, I agree with him -- people who do treat the Bible as if it is straight from the horses mouth, the definitive guide, and the end-all be-all are more than laughable.

(Nate505)
You guys must feel super smart for telling people the bible is not true, feel better now? I bet you do... but it's short lived.
You'll find something else to try to tear down soon... I'm not worried. Anyone build a nearby sandcastle... or real castle... you can get to work on?

Spazz -- doesn't your faith pretty much teach you that the Bible isn't translated correctly, and to pretty much take it with a grain of salt? I know everyone takes different meanings for just about everything, so maybe I'm wrong on this one. Either way, I don't see anyone stomping on anyone's sand castles or tearing anything down.

My silly comment hurt your feelings? Come on now.

I agree that something is not necessarily untrue just because it's far fetched. But what if it has not one, but dozens of far fetched stories? What if the non-story parts are also far fetched? What if the very basis of it is far fetched? When can we decide something is far fetched enough to be safely ignored, regardless of how emotionally attached some people find themselves?

It's a bit egotistical to expect those who don't possess one's specific brand of faith to just accept the imposition of an incredibly far fetched idea in order to spare the feelings of some. Specially when we're in desperate need for real solutions to real problems.

P.S. I'm talking about the senator's nonsense.

I will disagree with this one though. It's not egotistical at all to expect people to be accepting (of most things), but especially where religion is concerned. Nobody is forcing you to convert or to even believe, which would, of course, be egotistical and lame. Instead, they're asking that you just shut your mouth if you don't have a positive thing to say. I know it's hard (trust me, I do), but seriously, we get it -- you don't like religion. Check. Gotcha. Amen. (and I know that you were just talking about the politician in this instance, but you've shown the same regard and stance on every other religious topic on this board)

I also wanted to add the Mormons should be the last people to criticize others for spreading their ideas. You know, coming from a society that sends its children on missions to change people's beliefs and recruit them into their fold.

It's just a bit hypocritical.

Except, you're not trying to spread ideas. You're mostly spreading your FACTS as you see them, with a little bit of douchy know-it-all sprinkled on the side.