It Looks Like All the Non-Guaranteed Guys Are Gone

[cowhide]

You guys do know what's wrong with tanking right? Players want to make millions of dollars, and if they play like crap they don't get that big contract. So players start playing me ball trying to get theirs while not following a set offence or defending. This creates not only a losing culture but a lot of selfish bad habits in the players that takes years to correct, if not just losing the player entirely. If you really want to tank, then get ready to lose the entire core four if not Burke as well, because they will likely not recover from this. It would end up being Wiggins and whomever we draft in the lottery for the next five seasons after the team trades away Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke because they don't play within the offence.

The sky is falling ... the sky is falling. First of all Favors will be with the team for the next five years. Kanter, Burks and Burke are all under contract next year so the only player who could possibly leave is Hayward. Besides the fact that now that the Jazz have cleared out the roster to give these guys starting positions , do you think they want to go to a place where they might not have the same role? Maybe or maybe not? Beside the fact, there is another side of the coin to your concern, if the players start playing hero ball, do you think other teams won't notice? Stop with all the tanking talk it is making you not think straight. The Jazz are rebuilding finally. If you can't take the growing pains then take a year off but I think you are going to miss the best part of the season which is seeing several talented players develop into better players. You will also finally get to see if these players are ready for primetime so the Jazz can fill their weaknesses through the draft. Why are so many fans looking at this negatively? Maybe too many of you are too young to remember that the Jazz sucked when they came to SLC, part of the joy of being a Jazz fan was watching them draft players who could make them contenders some day. It didn't happen over night but it was well worth waiting for S&M to develop into a contender.

I am going to remind people a few years from now how silly it is to be saying the sky is falling when we should be saying the sun is shining on Jazz nation.

 

[cowhide]

If you are a loser than losing will break you down. If you are a winner/competitor then losing only pisses you off to get better. Losing should act as a motivator if you are mentally tough.

 

[cctrackstar]

I said nothing about them leaving on their own, I specifically said 'trade'. I am not implying that they will strop trying, I am saying that they will become selfish self centered hero ballers aka Mo, and will no longer have value on a team that tries to play an organized system style of basketball.

 

[Tarkanian]

@cowhide,
I thought tanking was obvious?

 

[cctrackstar]

You know what the Jazz are in the business of doing? They are specifically 'creating' stars. The reason that I don't believe in the tank is because they are doing so much to take talented players and turn them into stars. Instead of tanking and getting guys that are already superstars, they maintain a winning culture while taking talented but flawed players and A: bringing in coaches to develop their talents, B: Sending them to P3 to maximize their athletic abilities. C: Bringing in veterans (which cost more than d-league roster fillers) to show them the ropes. The Jazz wouldn't mind getting Wiggins or Parker for sure, but nothing in what they are doing is geared toward getting those players. In fact I would bet that they considered letting Millsap, Al, and Mo go a necessary setback to further their current stars development instead of an opportunity to tank.

 

[cowhide]

@cowhide,
I thought tanking was obvious?

I guess we have a different definition for tanking. I thought that was obvious.

 

[fishonjazz]

You guys do know what's wrong with tanking right? Players want to make millions of dollars, and if they play like crap they don't get that big contract. So players start playing me ball trying to get theirs while not following a set offence or defending. This creates not only a losing culture but a lot of selfish bad habits in the players that takes years to correct, if not just losing the player entirely. If you really want to tank, then get ready to lose the entire core four if not Burke as well, because they will likely not recover from this. It would end up being Wiggins and whomever we draft in the lottery for the next five seasons after the team trades away Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke because they don't play within the offence.

This didn't happen to the biggest tankers ever, the golden state warriors

 

[green]

This didn't happen to the biggest tankers ever, the golden state warriors

Or the Spurs. Or the Bulls. Or Memphis. Or Indiana.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also there is something that cctrackstar is forgetting.

This ain't your normal tank that other teams have done in the past
The jazz are re-inventing the tank.... this is The Professional Stealth Tank, never been done before.

This will be the tank of all tanks and bring championships to the utah jazz.
That's right, championshipS.... not one... not two..... not 3......

 

[Doublea]

I haven't seen anywhere about the scrubs being cut, anybody got a link?

 

[mellow]

NOBODY was cut today.

Wait until they get back from LA.

Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody " By the way, no Jazz practice today. I wouldn't expect any cuts until the team returns from SoCal"

 

[addictionary]

Seriously, maybe you should take the year off. The media and some uninformed fans think the Jazz are tanking simply because they've decided to let their talented young guys be the focus of the team. Did you want another year of Favors and Kanter sitting on the bench? That would seem ore like tanking to me because AJ/Millsap wasn't going to get us anywhere. Did you forget that the Jazz missed the playoffs last year? The only reason why people think teams are tanking is because of the hype regarding this draft.

The Jazz as an organization have FINALLY decided to play and develop the young guys. OKC did this and stunk two years in a row. I never heard anyone mention tanking. All the media talked about was them being the new exciting young team. People criticize SA for tanking to get Tim Duncan, I recall them beating out the Celtics for Duncan. 4 championships later and no one cares how Duncan got on the Spurs.

If the Jazz sit Favors/Kanter for Biedrins and some other slug vet they bring in then yes I would agree they are not rebuilding but tanking. As far as the Tinsley move it was a good move not because Tinsley is all world but he knows the system, he showed leadership last year and Burke is out for weeks or a month or two. If the Jazz had signed Scott Machado to a contract then again there would be more evidence of tanking.

If these young players are so mentally weak that they will fold with a few losses then it is time for the team to find out and get rid of them. The NBA is a man's game and you better pick your head up and play hard or you will be out of the league quickly. This year I am looking for improvement from the Core4 and Burke/Gobert/Evans. It is time to find out what the Jazz have. The future is very bright people just have to have a little patience.

I guess we have a different definition for tanking. I thought that was obvious.

The definition of tanking. I've had the same issue to talk with Stoked before and I think we want the same thing, hate the same thing. I think you misunderstood me. Hell this was the first time I was saying anything positive about a tanking situation since all those talks begun. I myself don't care for the win record or drafted stars more than playing every game to win even if you have a crap team.