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It's Over - Ne Deal for Gtime - RFA time

Lattimer said:
1. He's not a potential star player.

2. Nobody is butthurt, we just think he's a fool for thinking he deserves near max given his skillset.

3. He's the one with the risk here. He could get hurt, exposed leading to a worse deal. If he somehow changes as a player and is great and deserves 13 per and gets an offer for that we can match and he's ours anyway. It's all on him now.

4. Money is clearly more important to him than anyone realized. Put everything at risk for 2-4 Million post tax money? Lmao.

5. Love that the Jazz didn't overpay him.
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1. Wrong. He can certainly be an all-star. He came close last year, with a smaller role on the team.

2. Agreed.

3. There's risk to both sides. He might get an inflated offer from another team. These things happen. It happened with Matthews. The Jazz can't really afford losing a core young player while rebuilding. I know many here have fantasies of getting a superstar in the draft, but that's FAR from certain.

4. It's ridiculous, I know. But I worked in a war zone for 160k. So...

5. Same.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Smart moves for both sides. But all the pressure is on Hayward now. Like many have said, if he wants to get paid, he'll have to earn this year.


So the Jazz get to sit back and see if he's capable of what he's lacked his whole career: consistency. He'll have the time and the ball in his hands. It's all on him now. So far he's crumbled when the pressure is on. I commend the Jazz on sticking to their guns and not overpaying. Favor dealt in good faith and potentially took a pay cut for the team, good for him but it may hurt him in the long run. Hayward went the business, and admittedly smarter, route here. He and his agent understand the opportunity costs and are taking the risk. Very shrewd.

For those who are butt hurt that Hayward didn't take the Favors route, just cry into your pillow and shut up. This isn't a "Utah" thing, it's a business thing. That's what the NBA is and if you don't like it stop watching games, paying for tickets, and buying Jazz ****. Cause you're playing the game too. Criticizing those who play the game, and who are the actual product on the floor and are taking the most risk, is childish and stupid. Hayward is gambling on himself to succeed, and I like that, a lot. If he lives up to it, the Jazz match whatever he's offered and they move on. Hayward gets paid, the Jazz get our now guaranteed cornerstone piece. If he fails, we let him go or get him at an even cheaper price than we offered yesterday. Win win.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or, enjoy the game cause it's awesome and be happy your team, and a potential star player, are playing this smart.
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The only thing that is childish and stupid is you whining about people having a different opinion than you. Did you say the same thing when DW only signed a 3 year deal? While it is business, fans what their players to show a little loyalty to the fans/city. Every fan wants that not just Utah Jazz fans. I think Hayward has a right to get as much as he thinks he is worth and the Jazz have a right to set the price they want to pay. However, Hayward is taking the bigger risk.

He is taking a chance he doesn't get injured, he plays badly, and no one offers him more money. What happens if the best offer Hayward gets is $8 million (there are several big FAs above Haywards level) and then he comes back to the Jazz and says "I'll take that $10 million." How dumb would that be? Yes I know Hayward could come back with a $12 million offer (less likely) but Hayward still has little leverage next year(he is restricted). The Jazz can still decline to pay him and move forward with his replacement (top 5 guy- maybe Wiggins/Young/Parker/Exum). Jazz save $12 million to be used for Kanter/Burks or a FA.

This year if he does exceed past performances, people still might say well he put up big numbers playing for a bad team (non playoff team). He wants to be paid like a number one option but is he ever going to be a number one option on a contender? I doubt it and so do the Jazz and that is why they decided to let the market chose his value.
 
cowhide said:
The only thing that is childish and stupid is you whining about people having a different opinion than you. Did you say the same thing when DW only signed a 3 year deal? While it is business, fans what their players to show a little loyalty to the fans/city. Every fan wants that not just Utah Jazz fans. I think Hayward has a right to get as much as he thinks he is worth and the Jazz have a right to set the price they want to pay. However, Hayward is taking the bigger risk.

He is taking a chance he doesn't get injured, he plays badly, and no one offers him more money. What happens if the best offer Hayward gets is $8 million (there are several big FAs above Haywards level) and then he comes back to the Jazz and says "I'll take that $10 million." How dumb would that be? Yes I know Hayward could come back with a $12 million offer (less likely) but Hayward still has little leverage next year(he is restricted). The Jazz can still decline to pay him and move forward with his replacement (top 5 guy- maybe Wiggins/Young/Parker/Exum). Jazz save $12 million to be used for Kanter/Burks or a FA.

This year if he does exceed past performances, people still might say well he put up big numbers playing for a bad team (non playoff team). He wants to be paid like a number one option but is he ever going to be a number one option on a contender? I doubt it and so do the Jazz and that is why they decided to let the market chose his value.
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I'm failing to see where you disagree with my opinion here, Champ. Other than the city loyalty crap. That only happens in large markets or if you're winning. Romance is nice, but it just doesn't exist for most people. Sorry bro.
 
Siro said:
1. Wrong. He can certainly be an all-star. He came close last year, with a smaller role on the team.

2. Agreed.

3. There's risk to both sides. He might get an inflated offer from another team. These things happen. It happened with Matthews. The Jazz can't really afford losing a core young player while rebuilding. I know many here have fantasies of getting a superstar in the draft, but that's FAR from certain.

4. It's ridiculous, I know. But I worked in a war zone for 160k. So...

5. Same.
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I didn't think he was in the same stratosphere as all star last year but that's just me. I can't see an all star in him.

As far as risk I don't think its risky for the Jazz. His agent (in an attempt to appear reasonable) is making it clear they weren't going for the max. So it sounds like Hayward was at 13.

If Hayward gets that in FA it means he proved to be more than a 3rd option and me match.

This is nothing like the Millsap, Asik, Lin Matthews deals that they can add a poison pill to. It's different.

From reports it's a difference of about 2-4 million post tax money. Greedy. Lol.
 
This type of thing will definitely never happen again:

@sluhm: Reason #865 Utah loved Stockton: Extension time, goes to Larry Miller, both write number on piece of paper, number is identical, done deal.
 
Lattimer said:
This type of thing will definitely never happen again:

@sluhm: Reason #865 Utah loved Stockton: Extension time, goes to Larry Miller, both write number on piece of paper, number is identical, done deal.
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Favorite player of all time and it is not even close. Just the ruthlesness on the court, the quiet home life, none of that drama...
 
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