Jackpotting Around 52 - Uproar Theory, Tankxiety, Keyonte, and Trade Talk

[mhindy]

If the FO wants to tank but doesn't want to do it via resting, just find any trade that sends out Nurk and make the roster really badly unbalanced. Maybe nothing is available as far as other expirings, but that would be the easiest move.

 

[KqWIN]

Wrt to Key being a small guard and clutch defender....I don't think it really matters how small you are. It's just a matter of being a good defender. Lowry and FVV were both tiny but also great defenders. I am not really a believer in the predictive power of clutch performance, but kudos for actually mentioning clutch defense. Almost no one ever pays attention to it, and it's actually been our defense carrying our good clutch performance.

I can get behind the idea that Key and others are not as bad as they are now, but I think they have indeed been this bad so far. There's only one way to be 30th three years in a row.

And while Trae is not 1:1 to Key, I do think his value is relevant to Key's. There was a time where a player with Key's production would be consider a no questions asked, fun max. The environment is different now with the aprons and also how teams value defense. We'll need more data points to truly understand what a max guy (or max rookie extension) is under this new CBA, but Trae having no value at that number is relevant to all guards whether they are better, worse, or the same level as Trae.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And while Trae is not 1:1 to Key, I do think his value is relevant to Key's. There was a time where a player with Key's production would be consider a no questions asked, fun max. The environment is different now with the aprons and also how teams value defense. We'll need more data points to truly understand what a max guy (or max rookie extension) is under this new CBA, but Trae having no value at that number is relevant to all guards whether they are better, worse, or the same level as Trae.

I would be using that in my negotiations if I was a GM. I think my biggest issue with Trae is just that you have to play Trae ball on offense and then cover for him on defense. I think Key fits more like a Book or Murray type. The defense needs to improve and I don't think I give Key a max this offseason. I think you negotiate for some discounts and make him prove it in year 4 if its max or nothing from his side.

I think its a data point tho... I'd rather build with a player like Key over Trae though since he has on and off ball utility and has a chance to improve on defense and has at least shown some willingness to participate.

 

[Elizah Huge]

And while Trae is not 1:1 to Key, I do think his value is relevant to Key's. There was a time where a player with Key's production would be consider a no questions asked, fun max. The environment is different now with the aprons and also how teams value defense. We'll need more data points to truly understand what a max guy (or max rookie extension) is under this new CBA, but Trae having no value at that number is relevant to all guards whether they are better, worse, or the same level as Trae.

Thank you for the listen. I agree 100% with what you’re saying here. Which is also why I said I’m not rushing to the table to give him a full 25% rookie max. I think Keyonte being about 5 inches taller bodes very well in his favor though especially if you can get him on a decent contract. 5/175M or so.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

If the FO wants to tank but doesn't want to do it via resting, just find any trade that sends out Nurk and make the roster really badly unbalanced. Maybe nothing is available as far as other expirings, but that would be the easiest move.

We're 3pts/per 100 posessions better with Lauri/Key on the floor and Nurk off the floor than when all 3 of them play. Now this might not be the case for extended run, and by removing Nurk now our backup big situation at that point might be so bad, but that's a lot of mights with our pick on the line.

Not to single you out, but this is the exact kind of half measure that could give us the worst case scenario (losing a top 10 pick). Unfortunately we have already won too many games that we can't rely on half measures. If the front office is committed to keeping our pick we unfortunately have to be committed to sitting Lauri in my opinion.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We're 3pts/per 100 posessions better with Lauri/Key on the floor and Nurk off the floor than when all 3 of them play. Now this might not be the case for extended run, and by removing Nurk now our backup big situation at that point might be so bad, but that's a lot of mights with our pick on the line.

Not to single you out, but this is the exact kind of half measure that could give us the worst case scenario (losing a top 10 pick). Unfortunately we have already won too many games that we can't rely on half measures. If the front office is committed to keeping our pick we unfortunately have to be committed to sitting Lauri in my opinion.

Its not surprising but it seems weird the amount of people I have to fight on twitter to convince them that we are indeed not alright just taking half measures.

The FO is in fantasy world "we want to tank but we have all these superfluous constraints that we can't break". Svi/Kyle/Love/Niang/Nurk should be shopped aggressively or mothballed soon prior to the trade deadline. Send the Lakers one of them for like Kleber so the league is happy lol.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Its not surprising but it seems weird the amount of people I have to fight on twitter to convince them that we are indeed not alright just taking half measures.

The FO is in fantasy world "we want to tank but we have all these superfluous constraints that we can't break". Svi/Kyle/Love/Niang/Nurk should be shopped aggressively or mothballed soon prior to the trade deadline. Send the Lakers one of them for like Kleber so the league is happy lol.

The problem is a ton of fans just want the team to be good and cheer for wins. They don’t really care if the team is perpetually in the play-in tournament or first-round exits.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The problem is a ton of fans just want the team to be good and cheer for wins. They don’t really care if the team is perpetually in the play-in tournament or first-round exits.

I'm 100% fine with that. Just don't tell me the tank is fine... when its not. I find the anti-tankers endearing and principled for the most part.