Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[SoberasHotRod]

It would be interesting if someone could recap the actual rumored trades being discussed from reputable sources. It seems like we've gone from 8 first round picks and young guys to only protected first round picks and bad salary. It also went from a trade is imminent and definitely going to happen to we were never very close and might not happen.

I always assume that Shams/Tony Jones are reporting what Utah wants to get out there and that WOJ/Knicks media guys are reporting what New York wants to get out there. It would be interesting to get a summary of the rumors over time to get a better idea of what has actually been discussed.

 

[Park Bites]

As far as the Knicks go
I want obi toppin in the deal.

Either quickley or grimes

I want Fournier over rose because Fournier could be flipped easier.

I want cam reddish in the deal. I like his potential

I think they should take Rudy gay in the trade also.

Duece McBride is ehh for me in the trade.

Barrett is not a deal breaker for me. I just think more picks would have to be added.

I would take 4 first as long as 3 of them are unprotected. For every protection that is added another pick would have to be added. So if they add 2 protections to those than we would get 6 total firsts.

 

[Elizah Huge]

As far as the Knicks go
I want obi toppin in the deal.

Either quickley or grimes

I want Fournier over rose because Fournier could be flipped easier.

I want cam reddish in the deal. I like his potential

I think they should take Rudy gay in the trade also.

Duece McBride is ehh for me in the trade.

Barrett is not a deal breaker for me. I just think more picks would have to be added.

I would take 4 first as long as 3 of them are unprotected. For every protection that is added another pick would have to be added. So if they add 2 protections to those than we would get 6 total firsts.

Rose is essentially an expiring contract we should not want Fournier over him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Rose is essentially an expiring contract we should not want Fournier over him.

Agree... though I don't hate the idea of Fournier coming in and becoming a mild asset if he plays okay. But that would be another favor to the Knicks...

- so they keep RJ.
- They'd like to keep Grimes.
- Pass off a negative contract our way.

Donovan for 4 unprotected picks and swap is fair... but add in that we take a negative contract... aren't getting any other prospects... and some other stuff needs to get added. Ainge wants more than a fair deal, but if he gets 3 or 4 unprotected picks... 1 swap... Quickley/Toppin/Fournier and our choice of the protected picks they own.... I think he will pull the trigger.

I think the currently "holdup" is really us not being able to aggregate Minny guys in a trade and just waiting out KD and the market a little. Say we can send some of the Knicks players we get to the Lakers with some of the Minny guys we got in a mega deal... you sit on the general framework of the deal and then first week in september have the follow up conversations. I think Lakers are interested in Reddish... maybe they take Fournier, Reddish, and Beverly (plus one more player maybe Gay) and only give up one first because they take a useful but overpaid guy like Fournier.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Agree... though I don't hate the idea of Fournier coming in and becoming a mild asset if he plays okay. But that would be another favor to the Knicks...

- so they keep RJ.
- They'd like to keep Grimes.
- Pass off a negative contract our way.

Donovan for 4 unprotected picks and swap is fair... but add in that we take a negative contract... aren't getting any other prospects... and some other stuff needs to get added. Ainge wants more than a fair deal, but if he gets 3 or 4 unprotected picks... 1 swap... Quickley/Toppin/Fournier and our choice of the protected picks they own.... I think he will pull the trigger.

I think the currently "holdup" is really us not being able to aggregate Minny guys in a trade and just waiting out KD and the market a little. Say we can send some of the Knicks players we get to the Lakers with some of the Minny guys we got in a mega deal... you sit on the general framework of the deal and then first week in september have the follow up conversations. I think Lakers are interested in Reddish... maybe they take Fournier, Reddish, and Beverly (plus one more player maybe Gay) and only give up one first because they take a useful but overpaid guy like Fournier.

If the Lakers take back Fournier and Reddish, wouldn’t New York expect compensation from the Lakers in return? The more parties that get involved, the more likely you are to give up assets you could’ve just gotten on your own.

Unless the plan is to take back Westbrook to cover a significant part of the returning salary, it doesn’t make any sense to deal with the Knicks and Lakers together. Just do separate deals and get ALL of the assets.

 

[Elizah Huge]

If the Lakers take back Fournier and Reddish, wouldn’t New York expect compensation from the Lakers in return? The more parties that get involved, the more likely you are to give up assets you could’ve just gotten on your own.

Unless the plan is to take back Westbrook to cover a significant part of the returning salary, it doesn’t make any sense to deal with the Knicks and Lakers together. Just do separate deals and get ALL of the assets.

The Knicks wouldn’t receive any extra compensation because they have to send out salary to get Donovan regardless. It doesn’t matter what team gets that salary.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If the Lakers take back Fournier and Reddish, wouldn’t New York expect compensation from the Lakers in return? The more parties that get involved, the more likely you are to give up assets you could’ve just gotten on your own.

Unless the plan is to take back Westbrook to cover a significant part of the returning salary, it doesn’t make any sense to deal with the Knicks and Lakers together. Just do separate deals and get ALL of the assets.

Yeah Westbrook is the returning salary in the deal. Fournier has slightly negative value and Reddish is mostly neutral atm… we’d get off the extra year of Founiers deal… ny doesn’t need anything back in this scenario.

 

[YoungJefe]

Jazz posted a video of Donovan on IG and he liked it. Interesting

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I just swung by Highland High School. There was a Powder League game there that just wrapped up. I walked in just after the game finished up. Kyle Kuzma, Scottie Barnes, KCP and a few other guys were there. Place was kinda bumpin.

I barely heard about it on Twitter.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Jazz posted a video of Donovan on IG and he liked it. Interesting

Let’s just keep him, be bad for a year get another superstar next to him.

 

[sip]

I just swung by Highland High School. There was a Powder League game there that just wrapped up. I walked in just after the game finished up. Kyle Kuzma, Scottie Barnes, KCP and a few other guys were there. Place was kinda bumpin.

I barely heard about it on Twitter.

What? Highland Highschool in Sugarhouse?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

What? Highland Highschool in Sugarhouse?

Yup, for real. Place was loud. Hip hop bangin. You'd never know it from how little publicity there was. I knew where to go in, since I went to that school a long time ago. Only one door was open from the outside.

Raul Neto was there, even though he didn't play.