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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Here's a fun one that will never happen:

Jazz get: 4 unprotected firsts (Knicks 2023, 2025, 2027 & Lakers 2027); 2 protected firsts, (Knicks 2023 via Detroit; Knicks 2023 via Dallas); 1 pick swap (Knicks 2028); Grimes, Westbrook, Rose, Hield
Jazz give up: Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Conley, NAW, Gay

Knicks get: Mitchell, Gay, TJ McConnell
Knicks give up: 3 unprotected firsts (2023, 2025, 2027); 2 protected firsts (2023 via Detroit; 2023 via Dallas); 2 pick swaps (2028, 2029); Grimes, Rose, Randle, Reddish

Lakers get: Miles Turner, Bogdanovic, Reddish, NAW
Lakers give up: Westbrook; 2 unprotected firsts (2027, 2029); 1 pick swap (2026)

Pacers get: 1 unprotected first (Lakers 2029); 2 pick swaps (Lakers 2026, Knicks 2029); Conley, Randle
Pacers give up: Turner, Hield, McConnell

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Why for Jazz: 4 unprotected firsts + Grimes (and protecteds and swap) for Donovan and Bogey is probably not the dream scenario, but may be what's realistic. Conley, NAW, and Gay are difficult contracts to move for positive value as is; maybe Hield's contract is more moveable at trade deadline or next year when expiring? Rose and Westbrook could be waived, if desired, and will be $61.5 million off the books next year.

Why for Knicks: Get Donovan and get off Randle. Though draft capital depleted, most of the young guys are retained and available for another big move by the Knicks. Replace Rose with McConnell, and Fournier's shooting is retained to soften loss of Grimes. Gay can back up Toppin and Obi can run free as starter.

Why for Lakers: Duh -- Westbrook's gone and three players they're said to have had particular interest in return. All incoming players are expiring, so they preserve their cap flexibility next year while giving Lebron at least puncher's chance to make something big happen this year.

Why for Pacers: This is the hardest one, as I'm not sure I believe the reports that say they want remain competitive even if they trade away Turner & Hield. They probably didn't get enough. But former all-stars Randle and Conley are unlikely to damage their bottom line much as Pacers are already well under the cap and probably won't have that many big paydays due soon. Plus the unprotected first and two swaps (which are pretty high value if you think the Knicks and the Lakers might be in trouble 7 and 4 years into the future, respectively) are nice. They also even out their roster a bit (they've long been willing to part with Turner; they have a glut of SGs and of centers and centers masquerading as PFs).
 
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I want to see the team we have right now. A lot of new faces, a new dynamic. It's going to be interesting, and we look to have built a 7 seconds or less offense consisting of a high volume of 3's, fast breaks, alley oops, and overall fun basketball. If Donovan takes this team to the semi, or better yet conference Finals I think a lot of fans here will change their tune on him.

The fact that he's stayed quiet, and professional through all of this has won me over. Had this been most other superstar caliber players they'd have entertained the rumors.
 
The only team that could match or exceed what the Knicks can is OKC and they aren’t in the win-now business. Just make it happen already. Toppin + Quickley + 3 unprotected 1sts + 3 protected 1sts + a pick swap or two.
Are the Knicks even willing at this point to do 6 picks 3 protected? I was under the impression they didn’t want to protect any of the picks?
 
The only team that could match or exceed what the Knicks can is OKC and they aren’t in the win-now business. Just make it happen already. Toppin + Quickley + 3 unprotected 1sts + 3 protected 1sts + a pick swap or two.
I still think it waits for Sept 6... but the reported 2 unprotected picks and Obi plus 3 protected seems to be a not serious offer that is meant to meet in the middle somewhere. I hope Ainge isn't doing the "4 unprotected picks or GTFO" routine. Sometimes you compromise. I'm good with 3 unprotected, 2 protected, and IQ/Toppin. Get Grimes or another pick or a swap and its icing. Don't eff around too much longer Danny. I really think the 2023 Knicks pick could be good... if they get off to a rough start I think they are just as likely to pull the plug and do a one-year tank as they would be to do a panic trade.

If Knicks truly are dug in at 2 unprotected picks go elsewhere I guess... It would be pretty miserable to have the last Denver Melo year with Donovan.
 
They offered 2 unprotected and 3 protected. We asked for 4 unprotected. Wonder where we can meet in the middle at…
It feels like that is what they were trying to say with the offer... I really hope Danny isn't so rigid he can't find some middle ground that works.
 
They offered 2 unprotected and 3 protected. We asked for 4 unprotected. Wonder where we can meet in the middle at…
If that were the case I think there would be a deal long ago. That may be what was reported because I’m sure both sides are spinning things but all I know is nothing is close to done even though talks restarted supposedly a week ago or something, and nothings imminent.
 
The only team that could match or exceed what the Knicks can is OKC and they aren’t in the win-now business. Just make it happen already. Toppin + Quickley + 3 unprotected 1sts + 3 protected 1sts + a pick swap or two.
why would the knicks give up so much? who is coming close to that?
 
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