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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

New Hoops Collective podcast out. Didn’t really say much that we didn’t already know. They really like the extension number for RJ. Said if he waited a year he could have gotten a 4-year max. McMahon admitted he was wrong and didn’t think the Jazz would be interested in RJ. All are in agreement that the Knicks have the best possible package to offer which is nothing new.
 
I am full on in on deep conspiracy theories here based on the narrative being pushed and TJ's info. Here's what I think I think:

- We have basically agreed on the trade.. it has RJ in it. It will be RJ+Toppin 2 unprotected picks and 3 protected picks plus one swap. Fournier and Reddish. The extension was to alleviate our concerns and the deadline was all performative. The timing of the extension and the "deadline" are questionable. Extensions don't normally happen until October unless they are max extensions. The deadline being prior to 9/6 is weird. I think Tony knows the trade (it may not be what I say but I think Tony knows the key parts... I have no info other than what he has said on the public forums to be clear).
- We have a deal with the Lakers to get both unprotected picks. The deal involves Bogey, Beasley, Reddish, and one of the protected 1sts we get from NY (swapping a protected pick for an unprotected pick is smart). I can also see JC or Mike going in the Lakers deal... more likely Mike.
- I think all of this is consummated by next weekend.
- Serena Williams is not retiring.
- Arby's is fine and curly fries are delightful
 
Would we rather have protected picks or pick swaps from the Knicks? I think the answer is easily pick swaps right?

Hypothetically if we are taking back 23/26/28 unprotected 1sts I’d rather have pick swaps in 25/27 than two protected picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I am full on in on deep conspiracy theories here based on the narrative being pushed and TJ's info. Here's what I think I think:

- We have basically agreed on the trade.. it has RJ in it. It will be RJ+Toppin 2 unprotected picks and 3 protected picks plus one swap. Fournier and Reddish. The extension was to alleviate our concerns and the deadline was all performative. The timing of the extension and the "deadline" are questionable. Extensions don't normally happen until October unless they are max extensions. The deadline being prior to 9/6 is weird. I think Tony knows the trade (it may not be what I say but I think Tony knows the key parts... I have no info other than what he has said on the public forums to be clear).
- We have a deal with the Lakers to get both unprotected picks. The deal involves Bogey, Beasley, Reddish, and one of the protected 1sts we get from NY (swapping a protected pick for an unprotected pick is smart). I can also see JC or Mike going in the Lakers deal... more likely Mike.
- I think all of this is consummated by next weekend.
- Serena Williams is not retiring.
- Arby's is fine and curly fries are delightful
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There is no conspiracy here - curly fries are the bomb and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Would we rather have protected picks or pick swaps from the Knicks? I think the answer is easily pick swaps right?

Hypothetically if we are taking back 23/26/28 unprotected 1sts I’d rather have pick swaps in 25/27 than two protected picks.
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Aren’t we going to be worse than the Knicks? Or just as bad? If that’s the case wouldn’t we want the assets instead?
 
Avery said:
There is no conspiracy here - curly fries are the bomb and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
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Dip that **** into some Arby's sauce and ... ohhhhhh baby.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Would we rather have protected picks or pick swaps from the Knicks? I think the answer is easily pick swaps right?

Hypothetically if we are taking back 23/26/28 unprotected 1sts I’d rather have pick swaps in 25/27 than two protected picks.
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The protected picks we get will be non-Knicks picks... I think we could get swaps in 25 and maybe 27 with the Minny pick.
 
Elizah Huge said:
In 25/27 who knows. That’s the entire intrigue.
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I think no matter how long Utah wants to be bad, let’s not kid our selves. Stripping it down and building with a super young team, winning takes time. Chances are we will be picking before or right around the Knicks in two three years and the Knicks adding Mitchell will help them win more, help Julius Randle as defense focuses more on Don and Brunson, and if we get RJ, that might open things up to get someone else. They will be better. Might be better to have the assets to help with team building.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I think no matter how long Utah wants to be bad, let’s not kid our selves. Stripping it down and building with a super young team, winning takes time. Chances are we will be picking before or right around the Knicks in two three years and the Knicks adding Mitchell will help them win more, help Julius Randle as defense focuses more on Don and Brunson, and if we get RJ, that might open things up to get someone else. They will be better. Might be better to have the assets to help with team building.
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To be clear we put it in the trade that we can swap their pick with Minnesota’s as well.
 
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