It’s literally all anyone talks about lol.
Jazz are committed to Donovan as cornerstone according to Woj
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It’s literally all anyone talks about lol.
vegas
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So quick to forget he built the #1defense 5 years ago. #2 4 yrs ago. Then we decided to trade it all for the best 3 pt and best ortg just last year. We have won all the metrics and none of the trophies via maxing out the stats. I believed in the blender. Now we know what happened to it..
I'm ok if others want to get their hopes up, but don't present cheap talk as a reason for me to follow suit.
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Gobert is 100% the franchise #3, Dantley #4.
Hornacek is in contention for top 10.
Not sure where Don would fit off the top. The top 4 mentioned, Dwill, AK all cleanly above him for me. Eaton too I’d say. I’m not high on Pete, but it’s a discussion. As of now I’d lean Don over Hayward, but some of that could be expecting more from him, if he got traded this offseason he’s not head and shoulders above Gordon by any means. Who else deserves mention?
High end of #8 for Don currently (Malone/Stockton/Gobert/Dantley/Eaton/AK/Dwill)
Hornacek is in contention for top 10.
Not sure where Don would fit off the top. The top 4 mentioned, Dwill, AK all cleanly above him for me. Eaton too I’d say. I’m not high on Pete, but it’s a discussion. As of now I’d lean Don over Hayward, but some of that could be expecting more from him, if he got traded this offseason he’s not head and shoulders above Gordon by any means. Who else deserves mention?
High end of #8 for Don currently (Malone/Stockton/Gobert/Dantley/Eaton/AK/Dwill)
mongoose01
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Whatever. There’s a debate to be had between him and Hayward you homer. What isn’t debatable is him being too 5. Not yet.
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Give me your case for why Kirilenko is over Mitchell. I’m dying to hear this.
Now you give me your case for Hayward over Mitchell.
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I would argue AK had a more complete game that contributed more to winning. But therein lies the debate. It's hard to put too many players above someone who has multiple all-nba teams and major awards under their belt (multiple DPOY is nothing to scoff at), hence Williams and maravich under Gobert imo.
Hayward’s best 3 years with the Jazz:
20.3 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 3.8 APG, 45% from the field and 37% from 3
Mitchell’s last 3 years averages:
25.3 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 4.9 APG, 45% from field and 37% from 3
Donovan is a 3x All-Star and Hayward is a 1x All-Star
20.3 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 3.8 APG, 45% from the field and 37% from 3
Mitchell’s last 3 years averages:
25.3 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 4.9 APG, 45% from field and 37% from 3
Donovan is a 3x All-Star and Hayward is a 1x All-Star
mongoose01
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Hayward is a much better and more versatile defender. Similar playoff records. Better rebounder. Doesn’t need goggles.
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Honest question, has Mitchell lost a step already? I seem to remember him driving and dunking on people a lot more is first two years than the last two. If he’s already losing some of his athleticism are we sure we want to build around the guy?
Maybe it is him realizing he doesn't need to do that and take those risks for 2pts when he can make a layup? I don't really know. But he doesn't go for those highlight reel dunks like he did his first two seasons, that is for sure.
LoPo
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Maravich is a legend of the game.
Williams was the best PG in the game for a window there and made the conference finals.
Rudy has never been considered the best C in the game. Not at any time. Mutumbo was adored in his day and Eaton in the prior era. Those guys are appreciated but never celebrated.
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