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Jazz at Clippers Dec 29--8:30

Marty McFly said:
The first quarter struggles are a team issue, not a Jefferson issue. If you want to blame it on a player I'd sooner blame it on Bell than Jefferson. No doubt Al struggles in the first quarter often, but you're just being silly if you discount a strong performance because the stats didn't go up evenly over the 40 minutes he played.
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Marty, if you keep stopping your car polishing to interject incomplete arguments, you'll never get your work done.

Previously and repeatedly, I have posted at length how the primary problems with the starting lineup have been Jefferson and Bell. Tonight, Miles--the logical solution for Bell--was not available. However, there were several logical solutions for the feeble frontcourt starting the game. So your accusation is quite empty. Maybe it's the chemicals in the car wax.

My pregame plan was to put Millsap at the 3 to start because I wanted to get Millsap away from Griffin and thought that he could handle Bass easily. Instead, Sloan went with recent tradition (= his "gut" = his azz), minus the unavailable Kirilenko, and lo and behold, Millsap picks up a couple of fouls early. Then he puts in Evans, who weighs 30 to 60 pounds less than Griffin. There's no other way to describe that than poor in-game adjustments by the coaches. And Jefferson was doing little to mitigate the problem, given that he had zero rebounds in the first quarter of the game.
 
I'm not on here a lot. So I wonder...does InGameStategy ever stop B!tching?

You know, I really don't care if the jazz suck in the first quarter if they WIN THE GAME!
We just keep getting win after win after win. I don't care if they get shut out in the first quarter.
If the score after one is 25-0 in favor of the clippers, I DON'T CARE if the final score is 103-95.
 
That's convenient; I have posted repeatedly that on a good night, Fesenko would smell the floor for 20 minutes. That's what ">>" means. Sorry that you have to resort to petty details given that you have little else to stand on following your overdose of haterade.
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No haterade here. Right now I'm on Guinness. You should try some to calm the ol' nerves. By the way, none of that answered my statement that Fes' fouling - which he has not learned to curb in several years of playing - could adequately counterbalance his "effectiveness" or "+/-" or whatever you subscribe to. Petty details aside (aren't you the one who makes a point of calling out people's misspellings?) of course.

(1) I have acknowledged when Fes hasn't been the best player on the court before, and (2) Fes wasn't the sole spark in the turnaround anyway.
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(1) very true. (2) I'd say that Okur was dynamite tonight, to the extent that Fes' presence on the court and the timing of the Jazz' resurgence might be a coincidence.

Only that Utah was down double digits when he came in, and that he was the only player with a positive +/- when he sat down.
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Undoubtedly I'm not going to remember the *exact* numbers, but as I recall, Utah was down 11 when he came in and was down 8 when he sat. Give or take. Again, I'd be led to believe that that is within the noise of the data. We'll have to agree to disagree there.

I actually unveiled a plan
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I like that you can do nothing about this. In my whiniest kid's voice, I'm going to end by saying "Sloan's the coach and you're not!"

Jesting aside, if you are so convinced of your armchair coaching grandeur, why haven't you started coaching juco or something? Might be interesting to see how your X's and O's match up against real coaches.

I'm out for the night. Last word is yours if you have to have it.
 
InGameStrategy said:
My pregame plan was to put Millsap at the 3 to start because I wanted to get Millsap way from Griffin and thought that he could handle Bass easily. Instead, Sloan went with recent tradition (= his "gut" = his azz), minus the unavailable Kirilenko, and lo and behold, Millsap picks up a couple of fouls early. Then he puts in Evans, who weighs 30 to 60 pounds less than Griffin. There's no other way to describe that than poor in-game adjustments by the coaches. And Jefferson was doing little to mitigate the problem, given that he had zero rebounds in the first quarter of the game.
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Your thinking that matchups and your crush are the only way to win games is asinine and can only be eclipsed by how hard your arguments fail. Millsap is not a 3, there's no one on the Clippers named Bass, and you homer Fes harder than anyone Sloan has ever homered for. Your hypocrisy is only eclipsed by your mind-numbing, broken-record neurosis.
 
craig2112 said:
I'm not on here a lot. So I wonder...does InGameStategy ever stop B!tching?

You know, I really don't care if the jazz suck in the first quarter if they WIN THE GAME!
We just keep getting win after win after win. I don't care if they get shut out in the first quarter.
If the score after one is 25-0 in favor of the clippers, I DON'T CARE if the final score is 103-95.
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The problem is, Craig, that such a performance isn't going to work against a contender. It has failed against the Blazers, Mavs, Spurs, and even Warriors, to name a few.

When people are glowing over Jefferson's strong performance tonight, there's nothing wrong with keeping the enthusiasm in check by pointing out the conventional contrast between Q1 and the rest of the game. Besides, there really shouldn't be a need for a big celebration against a team that has barely managed 10 wins. The promising performance tonight (big improvements by Hayward and Okur, for example) isn't good enough against a contender.

It wasn't until the apologist patrol appeared that I laid down the hammer. Sorry that you're a secondary casualty.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Your thinking that matchups and your crush are the only way to win games is asinine and can only be eclipsed by how hard your arguments fail. Millsap is not a 3, there's no one on the Clippers named Bass, and you homer Fes harder than anyone Sloan has ever homered for. Your hypocrisy is only eclipsed by your mind-numbing, broken-record neurosis.
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Um, yes, matchups are pretty fundamental to a coach's responsibility. Probably in the top 3 or 5 responsibilities. So I don't apologize for pounding the table for responsible in-game adjustments, of which tonight in the first quarter was a tragic opposite.

I keep telling haters/apologist like you that I'm not a Fesenko homer. If the other bigs prove to be able to control the paint and beat contenders (and bottom feeders convincintly) without him, I have no problem with Fesenko never seeing the floor again. Unfortunately, Jefferson has really underperformed in the eyes of many fans in that regard. Millsap has been a pleasant positive, but his limitations only allow him to go so far. Same goes for Elson and maybe Okur.
 
InGameStrategy said:
The problem is, Craig, that such a performance isn't going to work against a contender. I has failed against the Blazers, Mavs, Spurs, and even Warriors, to name a few.
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So sub Fesenko in place of Jefferson and make Millsap defend Bass(no matter which team he plays for) and suddenly we are good enough to beat the Lakers and Spurs? Wow, who knew that it would be this easy

So, It is all about matchups and rotations. Play the matchups Armchairstrategy wants you to play and you can beat any team. Simple.

And anytime we lose to Spurs or Lakers it is ONLY because of poor matchups and rotations. Not because they could be, um, just a better team.
 
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