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Hes missed too many crucial free throws this year in tight games. Only a homer would deny that. His leadership and questionable shooting you dont touch because you know its true.

So how good do you think we could be with Hayward and a #2?

Questionable Shooting? Ok, so he has 1 bad year of shooting and all of the sudden his shooting is questionable for the rest of his career. He has a bad shooting night "Oh, looks like 2013-2014 Hayward is back and will never leave!!!". Career 37% 3pt shooter. He is shooting around 37%-38% this year and his midrange game has been nasty. I've never questioned his shooting. He is a good shooter, he has off nights because his back hurts.

Leadership? You can only beat a dead horse so many times. The Utah Jazz are that dead horse and they are looking like one again. I don't think his leadership gets a chance to display itself because he has only been on losing teams. So far he has been the only one who has showed up to every game, even when his individual offense isn't there.
 
Questionable Shooting? Ok, so he has 1 bad year of shooting and all of the sudden his shooting is questionable for the rest of his career. He has a bad shooting night "Oh, looks like 2013-2014 Hayward is back and will never leave!!!". Career 37% 3pt shooter. He is shooting around 37%-38% this year and his midrange game has been nasty. I've never questioned his shooting. He is a good shooter, he has off nights because his back hurts.

Leadership? You can only beat a dead horse so many times. The Utah Jazz are that dead horse and they are looking like one again. I don't think his leadership gets a chance to display itself because he has only been on losing teams. So far he has been the only one who has showed up to every game, even when his individual offense isn't there.

lol. Calm down Hayward lover. Geez, you are cute when angry though. I like it.

Again how good do you project a team with Hayward as the #1 which he is now, and a viable umber #2 option?
 
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Hayward has a couple of games were he misses both FT's in a FT trip and all of the sudden he has questionable FT shooting. Career 81% FT shooter. That number isn't getting worse.

Consiering he's shooting below 81% right now, it is. Though now it's just by half a percentage point.

Still, over the past 10 games he's 46/66, which is a tad under 70%. He's been terrible at the line lately, which really sucks since he gets to it quite a bit. During that stretch he's had 2 games where he's shot 14 FTs. One of them he managed to make 7, the other 11.
 
lol. Calm down Hayward lover. Geez, you are cute when angry though. I like it.

Again how good do you project a team with Hayward as the #1 which he is now, and a viable umber #2 option?

Who is the number 2 option? Is he a top 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 player? Is there a 3rd option who can also pass?
 
Kanter and Favors are both scoring pretty well this season and shoot above 50% and those shots don't include all dunks and they can catch, and hold onto, a basketball.

First off, this idea that Gobert is a walking stone dude from the Never Ending Story is horse ****. He does have, from time to time, moments in games where the ball hits him right in the hands and then launches into the stands as if propelled by rocket fuel. The egregiousness of these events exacerbates this false idea that he is Mark Eaton with Vaseline on his hands. Kanter is so far from having the hands of a kitten, he could break concrete. And, yes, Kanter and Favors can shoot jump shots. Fantastic! Look where we are with our defense...hopeless!

We're not winning many games this year with our offense; there is no debate on this! Our only hope is to get better defensively and that means Gobert at the pivot. Nothing has worked on defense when he's on the bench. You cut Booker's minutes but you play Gobert to have any shot, and you play Exum with Kanter instead of Gobert with Exum. Or we can go with your suggestion and keep playing with Favors and Kanter together as we lose our tenth game in a row tomorrow against the Spurs!
 
First off, this idea that Gobert is a walking stone dude from the Never Ending Story is horse ****. He does have, from time to time, moments in games where the ball hits him right in the hands and then launches into the stands as if propelled by rocket fuel. The egregiousness of these events exacerbates this false idea that he is Mark Eaton with Vaseline on his hands. Kanter is so far from having the hands of a kitten, he could break concrete. And, yes, Kanter and Favors can shoot jump shots. Fantastic! Look where we are with our defense...hopeless!

We're not winning many games this year with our offense; there is no debate on this! Our only hope is to get better defensively and that means Gobert at the pivot. Nothing has worked on defense when he's on the bench. You cut Booker's minutes but you play Gobert to have any shot, and you play Exum with Kanter instead of Gobert with Exum. Or we can go with your suggestion and keep playing with Favors and Kanter together as we lose our tenth game in a row tomorrow against the Spurs!

Yes, that happens when he is in little to no traffic. He does in fact have stones hands though and it results in a lot of missed opportunities around the rim, which is sad because if he could hold onto the ball and force more contact he could get to the FT line more where he is a respectable shooter.
 
This team stinks. I watched them live against the Magic, on ground level (nearly) and the body language from a lot of the players sucks. Trey sulks, Gordon reverted back to sourpuss pre max-contract levels of sulk. Kanter continues looking like an oaf baffled by some of the routine mistakes he makes. When something doesn't go Favors' way, he shrugs and just jogs down the court as if he's about to go up the stairs and order a hotdog. I just can't see a lot of fight or fire in any of these guys right now.

-There's no hard screens being set (saw Hood practically allow a defender through him, screwing up the ball handler). Couldn't believe what I was seeing from a team that was once helmed by Sloan. Most of our pics and screens are for show garbage.

-Kanter and Burke are just as infuriating to watch live as you'd expect. Six pump Kanter travelling, getting swatted. Trey getting into the paint and jacking up an off balance shot around 3 defenders. No imagination from Snyder in use of the roster. Watching Kanter getting yanked every 2 minutes and put back in just puzzles me.

-We can count on players like Favors, Booker, and Burks to pull disappearing acts on a routine basis. Usually a team can manage if this type of player if there's one on the court at any given time, but we can't have three or four players consistently lay eggs on a nightly basis from the starters or the bench. I'm really starting to question Favors' ability to excel when it's important. He's the quietest 15/9 center in the league.

-The passing game is laughable. I'm surprised our turnovers aren't higher considering the other teams seem predict on a consistent basis who the ball handler is going to pass it too. What we construed as a 'fun team to watch' in the pre-season has derived into a trivial scouting challenge for the teams they're facing on a game to game basis.
 
This team stinks. I watched them live against the Magic, on ground level (nearly) and the body language from a lot of the players sucks. Trey sulks, Gordon reverted back to sourpuss pre max-contract levels of sulk. Kanter continues looking like an oaf baffled by some of the routine mistakes he makes. When something doesn't go Favors' way, he shrugs and just jogs down the court as if he's about to go up the stairs and order a hotdog. I just can't see a lot of fight or fire in any of these guys right now.

-There's no hard screens being set (saw Hood practically allow a defender through him, screwing up the ball handler). Couldn't believe what I was seeing from a team that was once helmed by Sloan. Most of our pics and screens are for show garbage.

-Kanter and Burke are just as infuriating to watch live as you'd expect. Six pump Kanter travelling, getting swatted. Trey getting into the paint and jacking up an off balance shot around 3 defenders. No imagination from Snyder in use of the roster. Watching Kanter getting yanked every 2 minutes and put back in just puzzles me.

-We can count on players like Favors, Booker, and Burks to pull disappearing acts on a routine basis. Usually a team can manage if this type of player if there's one on the court at any given time, but we can't have three or four players consistently lay eggs on a nightly basis from the starters or the bench. I'm really starting to question Favors' ability to excel when it's important. He's the quietest 15/9 center in the league.

-The passing game is laughable. I'm surprised our turnovers aren't higher considering the other teams seem predict on a consistent basis who the ball handler is going to pass it too. What we construed as a 'fun team to watch' in the pre-season has derived into a trivial scouting challenge for the teams they're facing on a game to game basis.
In short. Coaching.
 
Who is the number 2 option? Is he a top 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 player? Is there a 3rd option who can also pass?

I dont know. This is your scenario. What do we need with Hayward as the #1 to be a top 4 team in the west? Which is what I think we both want.

Do you see the #2 as a really good PG, or SG to play off him? Or with a dominant center? Give me hope Cy.
 
I dont know. This is your scenario. What do we need with Hayward as the #1 to be a top 4 team in the west? Which is what I think we both want.

Do you see the #2 as a really good PG, or SG to play off him? Or with a dominant center? Give me hope Cy.

Another good playmaker. Hopefully Dante Exum. Also not have our starting PG and SG be complete waste on defense.
 
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