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BENTLEY said:
Astute post. And I totally relate to it. I am happy for the team when they win, even though my desire for a second lottery pick wants to be mad with the W. And I am glad for the losses that ensure the second lottery pick, even though it is hard to root against the guys I love so much. This is a great group of guys. And even though Jefferson isn't the future of the Jazz I really like him and would love for him to get to the playoffs. QUESTION: Has Jefferson EVER made the playoffs before?
(sigh)
Win, Lose - either way I'm happy AND sad.
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Nope. Big Jeff has not sniffed the POs...he was so excited to come here mainly because he thought playing with Deron would get him there. Then KOC wisely blew that team up, brings in his successor, and all Jeff does is help the young bigs get better. How can you not like that kind of a character guy. As a player he is not perfect, but he is better than Boozer and a heck of a team player as well as being an offensive gift from God.

I'm unequivocal in wanting the Jazz to make a run at the play offs this year. It will just build in our team a sense that management believes in them, and that the Utah Jazz fight for every game.

Just think about those poor fans whose team packs it in, year after year they strengthen a culture of losing. I want the Jazz to build a culture in this team of over achieving...even if it cost us a pick that would be offset by the players growing into a team that believes in themselves. I think we have the young talent in Burks, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors to be a great team down the road. People rant about developing them by giving them PT, I think winning helps develop them even better. Let them earn the PT on a PO team and they will be much better off.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Holy ****, stop talking. You're talking about the same team that won 72 games the season before, and the only team to feature three All-Defensive 1st team selections? That is one of the best teams of all time. And again, we're talking about the greatest player ever, and you're mad that Deron Williams isn't that. Get real.
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Okay, then answer me this Mr Know it all... If Jordan was lets say, out for the season that year... Do you really think that team would have been any better than a .500 ballclub??

Yes, I'm sorry, Jordan was that good... And maybe this is an unfair comparison... But again, my initial point was "SUPERSTARS" (which Dwill is NOT) make ordinary players look EXTRAORDINARY...

Just name me ONE of those Bulls players that did ANYTHING after leaving the Bulls?? JUST ONE!

You can't do it, because they were all ORDINARY players, role players, nothing more (aside from Scottie Pippen of course)..



I remember those years VERY well...

And don't give me this all pro/all-star/defensive player of the year, etc ******** either, because that is just a popularity contest and always will be... More times than not, it's really not based on statistics, it's based on VOTES...

So save it!
 
bjunior said:
This is my opinion based on what I see during the game.

And this forum gave me the right to say my opinion. You can deal with that, right?

Or you want to say that if we are not from the front office - we can't critique or discuss our coach's decisions?
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You can have all the opinions you want, and so can I. You are arguing that Ty has 100% job security and should just play the young guys wins and losses aside. I saying, based off years of league wide coaching trends and sound business practices, that the Jazz would never guarantee any coach 100% job security. Critique the coaches decisions all you want, but if you say something that I think is ridiculous I have every right to point it out. It is a message board after all.
 
That was sarcasm that Ty makes mistakes that he didn't play youth enough.
And I was agree with that "sarcasm". I mean with the fact that he didn't play young guns enough.

I don't even care about his job is secure or not.
 
Hanginthere said:
Okay, then answer me this Mr Know it all... If Jordan was lets say, out for the season that year... Do you really think that team would have been any better than a .500 ballclub??

Yes, I'm sorry, Jordan was that good... And maybe this is an unfair comparison... But again, my initial point was "SUPERSTARS" (which Dwill is NOT) make ordinary players look EXTRAORDINARY...

Just name me ONE of those Bulls players that did ANYTHING after leaving the Bulls?? JUST ONE!

You can't do it, because they were all ORDINARY players, role players, nothing more (aside from Scottie Pippen of course)..



I remember those years VERY well...

And don't give me this all pro/all-star/defensive player of the year, etc ******** either, because that is just a popularity contest and always will be... More times than not, it's really not based on statistics, it's based on VOTES...

So save it!
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If Jordan is out, can we replace him with any player equal to his contract value that year? You take out any team's best player and they are going to be worse.

Dennis Rodman did a ton before joining the Bulls. Like TWO DPOY's, average 19 RPG IN A SEASON, TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS, TWO TIME ALL STAR, 5 TIME NBA 1st DEFENSIVE TEAM. All without Jordan.

But all of that **** is just ordinary.

Kukoc had all his prime years with Jordan. The 2 years after he left, he was still a good player. Then he dropped off after hitting 32 (the usual time wings start to drop off).
 
BabyPeterzz said:
You can have all the opinions you want, and so can I. You are arguing that Ty has 100% job security and should just play the young guys wins and losses aside. I saying, based off years of league wide coaching trends and sound business practices, that the Jazz would never guarantee any coach 100% job security. Critique the coaches decisions all you want, but if you say something that I think is ridiculous I have every right to point it out. It is a message board after all.
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Nah, Bjunior is a Super Hero. His power is being able to physically see job security. When Corbin and Miller gaze into each other's eyes he sees the bond of an unbreakable job.
 
Wow, so nice to login for a quick moment of revelry as a fan about a win and find JazzFanzHaterz in full swing. :-(
 
BENTLEY said:
Astute post. And I totally relate to it. I am happy for the team when they win, even though my desire for a second lottery pick wants to be mad with the W. And I am glad for the losses that ensure the second lottery pick, even though it is hard to root against the guys I love so much. This is a great group of guys. And even though Jefferson isn't the future of the Jazz I really like him and would love for him to get to the playoffs. QUESTION: Has Jefferson EVER made the playoffs before?
(sigh)
Win, Lose - either way I'm happy AND sad.
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Stars Fan said:
Nope. Big Jeff has not sniffed the POs...he was so excited to come here mainly because he thought playing with Deron would get him there. Then KOC wisely blew that team up, brings in his successor, and all Jeff does is help the young bigs get better. How can you not like that kind of a character guy. As a player he is not perfect, but he is better than Boozer and a heck of a team player as well as being an offensive gift from God.

I'm unequivocal in wanting the Jazz to make a run at the play offs this year. It will just build in our team a sense that management believes in them, and that the Utah Jazz fight for every game.

Just think about those poor fans whose team packs it in, year after year they strengthen a culture of losing. I want the Jazz to build a culture in this team of over achieving...even if it cost us a pick that would be offset by the players growing into a team that believes in themselves. I think we have the young talent in Burks, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors to be a great team down the road. People rant about developing them by giving them PT, I think winning helps develop them even better. Let them earn the PT on a PO team and they will be much better off.
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Uhmm I believe in Jefferson's rookie year the Celt's did make the PO's.

Yep just looked it up to be safe:

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[TH="class: headerSort"]MPG[/TH]
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[TH="class: headerSort"]3P%[/TH]
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[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]19.4[/TD]
[TD].415[/TD]
[TD].000[/TD]
[TD].750[/TD]
[TD]6.4[/TD]
[TD].3[/TD]
[TD].6[/TD]
[TD]1.1[/TD]
[TD]6.1[/TD]
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[TD]19.4[/TD]
[TD].415[/TD]
[TD].000[/TD]
[TD].750[/TD]
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[TD].3[/TD]
[TD].6[/TD]
[TD]1.1[/TD]
[TD]6.[/TD]
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