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U really cant convince me, now with the benefit of hindsight, that Joe Ingles can't handle much of what was asked of Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw this season.. That just further reinforces my point about Barnes... (full disclosure tho -- who knew Ingles would be THIS good? certainly not me)..

Barnes is a good defender too. while Johnson and Diaw are the weak links in the chain.
 
PG_AB said:
Does anyone else sorta get the feeling that sometimes when Hayward fades away he's sort of testing in a way the vets or the supporting cast Utah has?

It almost seems that way to me.. Why was he nowhere to be found early in the 4th..

Certainly the vets the Jazz brought in this offseason haven't been able to get the job done the last few L's...

George Hills stats/%'s are starting to regress to the mean a bit.. If you really look at Hill's stats he's shot it from 3 lights out in November and February.. Definitely more streaky than It might seem just watching the games.

Seems very clear to me that part of his efficiency is due to a hot start and limited volume(minutes)
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"using your expiring assets to add depth to the squad rocks the boat too violently and may destroy our delicately balanced beamed cakk bakk" - me
 
PG_AB said:
Does anyone else sorta get the feeling that sometimes when Hayward fades away he's sort of testing in a way the vets or the supporting cast Utah has?

It almost seems that way to me.. Why was he nowhere to be found early in the 4th..

Certainly the vets the Jazz brought in this offseason haven't been able to get the job done the last few L's...

George Hills stats/%'s are starting to regress to the mean a bit.. If you really look at Hill's stats he's shot it from 3 lights out in November and February.. Definitely more streaky than It might seem just watching the games.

Seems very clear to me that part of his efficiency is due to a hot start and limited volume(minutes)
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Please, for the love of God.. get the **** out of here with the Hayward hate. He was on the bench early in the fourth. The dude had 38 points on 24 shots. Haven't you eaten enough crow? You're tiresome when it comes to Hayward. He's an all-star and is in the top-8 for the MVP race. He deserves every penny that he will get this offseason and I have no problem giving him the max.


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PG_AB said:
Joe Johnson with 22points on 31 FGA's in the last 3 L's... what do you want for 11MM per season?!?

Can someone please remind me how much better Johnson and Diaw are than Harrison "MIP" Barnes??
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What?

11M per season for the production we've gotten from Joe Johnson is an absolute steal.
 
PG_AB said:
Well then remind me don't just talk about it.

Present the math which supports your statements please. Til then I'm calling BS on ya.

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Lemme remind ya -- You're in this thread just a few pages back talking about moving Rodney to the bench and signing Redick to start..

My plan with Barnes was to start him at the 3 and move Hayward to the 2 and bring Hood off the bench.. (obviously with all the injuries Barnes would've gotten like 40 starts at PF)
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Redick will cost half of what Barnes makes. Killer teams have role players liek him. The Cavs with JR Smith and now Korver. The Spurs with Danny Green. The Dubs with, dare I say it, Klay Thompson, though obviously he's more than just a role player. These are all guys at the 2 who fit the role of being the counted upon shooter to hit the open (or sometimes not open) 3. We have a guy that could evolve into that perhaps in Hood but he's always hurt and wildly inconsistent. Redick is 32 years old but I would bet has another good 2-3 years left in him. He's over 41% from 3 this season on 6 attempts per game and if we moved Burks and didn't keep Diaw around, I think we could realistically retain Hayward, Ingles and Hill while also signing Redick.

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I'll do the math later but it works. We'll be over the LT for sure but only for a year maybe because by drafting a pg (to also push Exum) and pf (to push Lyles and Bolomboy) in the 1st (and having Lyles and Bolomboy and Exum at these spots), we've insured that we will have not only depth for injuries but also have the opportunity to move Hill or Favors (or not re-sign the latter), should one of these guys really develop like we think they maybe can.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Redick will cost half of what Barnes makes. Killer teams have role players liek him. The Cavs with JR Smith and now Korver. The Spurs with Danny Green. The Dubs with, dare I say it, Klay Thompson, though obviously he's more than just a role player. These are all guys at the 2 who fit the role of being the counted upon shooter to hit the open (or sometimes not open) 3. We have a guy that could evolve into that perhaps in Hood but he's always hurt and wildly inconsistent. Redick is 32 years old but I would bet has another good 2-3 years left in him. He's over 41% from 3 this season on 6 attempts per game and if we moved Burks and didn't keep Diaw around, I think we could realistically retain Hayward, Ingles and Hill while also signing Redick.

Hill-Exum-1st round draftee
Redick-Hood
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Favors-Lyles-Bolomboy-1st round draftee
Gobert-Withey

I'll do the math later but it works. We'll be over the LT for sure but only for a year maybe because by drafting a pg (to also push Exum) and pf (to push Lyles and Bolomboy) in the 1st (and having Lyles and Bolomboy and Exum at these spots), we've insured that we will have not only depth for injuries but also have the opportunity to move Hill or Favors (or not re-sign the latter), should one of these guys really develop like we think they maybe can.
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Redick going to cost way more than 11 million.
 
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