Jazz Free Agency Summer of 2018

[LoPo]

Unless we add LeBron James, we aren’t going to beat Golden State in a series.

Wait until their group breaks up.

Even if we added Paul George we wouldn’t beat them. They’re just too good.

If we can't beat Golden State, what is the point of bringing back guys like Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto when we could try to add another big asset for down the road? I believe this 100% - I think this team is just as strong in a playoff series without Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto as we are with them. In many ways, I feel the same way about Favors. We don't have to have those 5 in order to compete to the level in which we can compete. Favors isn't the difference between contending for a title or not. Sure, they would be nice to have if we have injuries, but if we have injuries, we aren't winning anyway.

Wouldn't any of these assets be better for our future championship hopes than another 2nd round exit?
- 2021 Miami pick for taking Bayless from Philly
- a future Milwaukee 1st and DJ Wilson for taking Dellavodova
- a 2019 first rounder from Washington for taking Gortat or other expirings

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we can't beat Golden State, what is the point of bringing back guys like Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto when we could try to add another big asset for down the road? I believe this 100% - I think this team is just as strong in a playoff series without Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto as we are with them. In many ways, I feel the same way about Favors. We don't have to have those 5 in order to compete to the level in which we can compete. Favors isn't the difference between contending for a title or not. Sure, they would be nice to have if we have injuries, but if we have injuries, we aren't winning anyway.

Wouldn't any of these assets be better for our future championship hopes than another 2nd round exit?
- 2021 Miami pick for taking Bayless from Philly
- a future Milwaukee 1st and DJ Wilson for taking Dellavodova
- a 2019 first rounder from Washington for taking Gortat or other expirings

I see what you are saying, but having those contracts and depth allows us to make in season deals. We need to keep one roster spot open though so if Thabo won't move his date back we should decline his option... he should oblige though... he won't make $5M on the open market.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Teams like the Wiz, Orlando, Charlotte, the Clips, could spiral and are at tipping points... mid season trades/acquisitions may be better business. Hood and Crowder are good examples... both players had more trade value last offseason. If Gordon signs a big deal and struggles he could be cheap... if Wiz situation gets worse Porter may be available cheap... if Clips suck they may realize Harris might leave for nothing so maybe they move him for a 2019 pick and expirings.

I just think everyone needs to be prepared for a boring Jazz offseason.

 

[Jack Strop]

We have two basic options:
1. Clear cap room by renouncing just about everyone AND our exceptions. Would also need to dump Burks' contract. That likely requires attaching a future 1st.

1a. Then Sign a guy like Gordon or Jabari to a max or near-max contract.

1b. With no exceptions or cap room, 4-5 roster spots are undrafted rookies or vets who will take the minimum.

Or
2. Keep Burks, Exum, maybe Favors. Perhaps use the MLE for a player like Bjelica. Or invite the NG guys back.

2a. At the deadline, DL may have $20-$25m in expiring contracts to include in a trade.

I'm in favor of plan #2.

 

[LoPo]

We have two basic options:
1. Clear cap room by renouncing just about everyone AND our exceptions. Would also need to dump Burks' contract. That likely requires attaching a future 1st.

1a. Then Sign a guy like Gordon or Jabari to a max or near-max contract.

1b. With no exceptions or cap room, 3-4 roster spots are undrafted rookies or vets who will take the minimum.

Or
2. Keep Burks, Exum, maybe Favors. Perhaps use the MLE for a player like Bjelica. Or invite the NG guys back.

2a. At the deadline, DL may have $20-$25m in expiring contracts to include in a trade.

I'm in favor of plan #2.

I'm for option 3:

Keep Exum, drop everybody else, trade Burks and cap space for a bad contract and a big asset.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

We have two basic options:
1. Clear cap room by renouncing just about everyone AND our exceptions. Would also need to dump Burks' contract. That likely requires attaching a future 1st.

1a. Then Sign a guy like Gordon or Jabari to a max or near-max contract.

1b. With no exceptions or cap room, 4-5 roster spots are undrafted rookies or vets who will take the minimum.

Or
2. Keep Burks, Exum, maybe Favors. Perhaps use the MLE for a player like Bjelica. Or invite the NG guys back.

2a. At the deadline, DL may have $20-$25m in expiring contracts to include in a trade.

I'm in favor of plan #2.

I mean, Lindsey has told us on numerous occasions that plan #2 is THE PLAN. Plan is to bring back all the FA.

There may be minor changes at the margins with upgrades to the NG guys and/or an MLE signing like Bjelly or Hezonja. I am on board with this plan as long as we get our stretch four option, even a budget one like Bjelly.

Only if Favors signs elsewhere does this offseason get interesting. I don’t think Exum’s or Neto’s market is great and Jazz bring ‘em both back on team friendly deals.

We’ll have a lot of flexibility for trade deadline deals and 2019 FA.

 

[RandyForRubio]

If we can't beat Golden State, what is the point of bringing back guys like Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto when we could try to add another big asset for down the road? I believe this 100% - I think this team is just as strong in a playoff series without Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto as we are with them. In many ways, I feel the same way about Favors. We don't have to have those 5 in order to compete to the level in which we can compete. Favors isn't the difference between contending for a title or not. Sure, they would be nice to have if we have injuries, but if we have injuries, we aren't winning anyway.

Wouldn't any of these assets be better for our future championship hopes than another 2nd round exit?
- 2021 Miami pick for taking Bayless from Philly
- a future Milwaukee 1st and DJ Wilson for taking Dellavodova
- a 2019 first rounder from Washington for taking Gortat or other expirings

Because this ain’t a damn video game. Stuff like chemistry and reputation matter.

If we ditch these guys, who are all decent to good players that are well liked/respected, what are guys like Rudy and DM gonna think? What are potential FA’s gonna think? You start doing stuff like that, and ain’t nobody gonna sign here. In a vacuum, you’re not wrong, but I think it would piss a lot of guys off.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think if we had a healthy Rubio we push Houston further and maybe beat them.

I think we definitely beat Houston if we had a healthy Favors, Exum, and Sef along with Rubio. That would have made a huge difference in the series .

I don't know how we would have done against GS. We obviously played them well in the regular season but that's different. We do have things they struggle against. Good bigs that can switch like Favors are a big weakness to them.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Favors isn't the difference between contending for a title or not. Sure, they would be nice to have if we have injuries, but if we have injuries, we aren't winning anyway.

Wouldn't any of these assets be better for our future championship hopes than another 2nd round exit?
- 2021 Miami pick for taking Bayless from Philly
- a future Milwaukee 1st and DJ Wilson for taking Dellavodova
- a 2019 first rounder from Washington for taking Gortat or other expirings

I disagree with that statement, he makes a big difference. He was a huge reason the last two years we won playoffs series.

As far as the second paragraph goes no. Those picks make no difference to us winning a championship. They don't fit our timeline and are unlikely to even be decent players. More likely they will just be cheap roster spot fillers like what Golden State has used their picks for recently.

 

[Jingled]

If we can't beat Golden State, what is the point of bringing back guys like Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto when we could try to add another big asset for down the road? I believe this 100% - I think this team is just as strong in a playoff series without Jerekbo, Udoh, Thabo and Neto as we are with them. In many ways, I feel the same way about Favors. We don't have to have those 5 in order to compete to the level in which we can compete. Favors isn't the difference between contending for a title or not. Sure, they would be nice to have if we have injuries, but if we have injuries, we aren't winning anyway.

Wouldn't any of these assets be better for our future championship hopes than another 2nd round exit?
- 2021 Miami pick for taking Bayless from Philly
- a future Milwaukee 1st and DJ Wilson for taking Dellavodova
- a 2019 first rounder from Washington for taking Gortat or other expirings

I think the front office wants to have as much cap space as possible for 2019. I think we'll try to sign a guy like Khris Middleton or Tobias Harris. If that fails, we could pursue Niko. There are so many quality free agents next summer that I think it's likely we land one of them, even if it's not an elite one like Klay Thompson. Short of signing Lebron James or Paul George, there's nothing we can do this year to compete with Golden State anyway, so might as well just run it back with the same group one more year, signing Favors to a one year deal. Then next offseason we would have Favors, Burks, Rubio, Udoh, Jerebko and Sefelosha all coming off the books and we could offer a guy like Middleton the max. Obviously if the could land PG this offseason then they need to do whatever it takes to do that, but it seems unlikely.

 

[LoPo]

@JustTheTip

I respect what you are saying. Chemistry does mean something. It should be valued.

But the following is also true - Udoh couldn't get off our bench in the playoffs. Thabo, at $5.5 with the injury recovery and suspension, is overpaid.

As for Favors, I would like to keep him but I don't see how. He would be unwise to take a one year deal because his injury history. We could give him a longer contract, but I think it's a bad decision if we overpay him. Overpaying Favors kills the dreams of the 2019 cap space dreamers. Gobert and Favors dont work against the small lineups anyway. And if the small lineups phase out, Favors and Gobert still don't have the comprehensive skill sets to compete offensively.

As for Jerekbo. I could see the reason for keeping him especially if Favors leaves.

So overall, I think it is in our best interest in terms of chemistry and future that Favors just finds a deal elsewhere during the Moratorium.

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[colton]

@JustTheTip

I respect what you are saying. Chemistry does mean something. It should be valued.

But the following is also true - Udoh couldn't get off our bench in the playoffs. Thabo, at $5.5 with the injury recovery and suspension, is overpaid.

As for Favors, I would like to keep him but I don't see how. He would be unwise to take a one year deal because his injury history. We could give him a longer contract, but I think it's a bad decision if we overpay him. Overpaying Favors kills the dreams of the 2019 cap space dreamers. Gobert and Favors dont work against the small lineups anyway. And if the small lineups phase out, Favors and Gobert still don't have the comprehensive skill sets to compete offensively.

As for Jerekbo. I could see the reason for keeping him especially if Favors leaves.

So overall, I think it is in our best interest in terms of chemistry and future that Favors just finds a deal elsewhere during the Moratorium.

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This cracked me up--just below your post I have an Amazon add for this book, certainly because of the repeated use of Thabo's name in the past several posts:
Amazon product ASIN B01M6TK64Y

Thabo (Scifi Alien Romance) (Galactic Mates)
by Luna Hunter

Can an alpha male alien warrior and a curvy human diplomat prevent an intergalactic disaster?

Riley Harper has been too busy earning her degree in Intergalactic Politics to bother with men. When her new job straight out of college requires her to travel to deep space so that humans can meet with the alien Intergalactic Alliance, she meets General Thabo. The muscular, fire-red Zoran soldier is intriguing, to say the least … but Riley has no intention of her first time being with an alien warrior, no matter how sexy he might be.

For his part, Thabo is not a particular fan of humans, but he can’t get the shapely Ms. Harper out of his mind. When she stands up to some trash-talking aliens on the Alliance’s space-station, he learns she has spirit to go with her luscious curves. He’s more determined than ever to claim her … but first he has to persuade her.

His romantic plans are disrupted when the Alliance station is attacked and humans are blamed. Can he and Riley find out who’s really responsible and avert a galactic war? And will she see past his tough exterior to the man he really is?

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LOL, sounds like some pretty hot stuff!