Jazz game tonight yada yada yada EXUM to Start!!

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Prior to this year, wasn't drafting hayward considered a mistake? Now that he's in Snyder's system he has blossomed. Same could be said about half of our team. Exum? What's his excuse? Gobert is young too yet he shows aggressiveness.

Gobert is 22, Exum is 19. Gobert has been playing professional basketball against men for the last 4 years. This is Exum's first exposure to a full season of competitive basketball.

 

[Deleted member 365]

That would really help our development... to bench the guy we are trying to develop.

Huh? He's exwctly the type of player you do this to. He's not an old and rich player yet. A guy like Boozer doesn't care. Paycheck is the same for him. Exum? He wants to see the floor. He wants to impress. He wants a new paycheck. If he for any reason isn't doing what the coach demands, he needs to be benched. That way, when he does get PT, he will play with his hair on fire.

Those in favor of letting Exum play no matter how ****ty or wussy he plays, have you ever played competitive sports in your life?
What's your coaching experience?

I want to know.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Huh? He's exwctly the type of player you do this to. He's not an old and rich player yet. A guy like Boozer doesn't care. Paycheck is the same for him. Exum? He wants to see the floor. He wants to impress. He wants a new paycheck. If he for any reason isn't doing what the coach demands, he needs to be benched. That way, when he does get PT, he will play with his hair on fire.

Those in favor of letting Exum play no matter how ****ty or wussy he plays, have you ever played competitive sports in your life?
What's your coaching experience?

I want to know.

Sports is not always so black and white. Benching Exum as if he needs to be scolded for being somewhat passive and thinking that will help give the 19 year old foreigner a swift kick in the *** of motivation is silly.

Also, if Quin benches him as you so brilliantly suggest, what stud off the bench would replace him in the lineup?

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Gobert is 22, Exum is 19. Gobert has been playing professional basketball against men for the last 4 years. This is Exum's first exposure to a full season of competitive basketball.

Stahp! Thriller's 1950's Brimstone & Fire mode of motivation is in the Coaching 101 handbook. Obviously you were absent the day it was passed out in class.

 

[freakazoid]

Prior to this year, wasn't drafting hayward considered a mistake?

Only by captain hindsight. Regardless of George, Gordon was great pick. Both players were steals in that draft, and 2nd guessing Gordon just because George was taken after him is nothing more than nitpicking with the power of hindsight.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Only by captain hindsight. Regardless of George, Gordon was great pick. Both players were steals in that draft, and 2nd guessing Gordon just because George was taken after him is nothing more than nitpicking with the power of hindsight.

That's Captain Hindsight to you.

 

[framer]

Only by captain hindsight. Regardless of George, Gordon was great pick. Both players were steals in that draft, and 2nd guessing Gordon just because George was taken after him is nothing more than nitpicking with the power of hindsight.

Obviously the Jazz were tipped off to George's weak bone structure. . .Dat Crystal Ball Doe. . .

 

[Deleted member 365]

Stahp! Thriller's 1950's Brimstone & Fire mode of motivation is in the Coaching 101 handbook. Obviously you were absent the day it was passed out in class.

Does it make you feel better when you fling out insults? Does it strengthen your point? Honest questions.

Why aren't points addressed? Why must this board always demean and insult another poster and do anything BUT address their points? Is it the anonymity of the Internet that makes people so uncivil?

After 15 years of playing competitive sports and 5 years of coaching, there remains one constant: THEE best motivator is to hold players accountable. The way to do that? Threaten their PT.

Ask yourself and be honest; no need to fling personal attacks or go off on tangents, which employee performs better? The one who knows they'll get the promotion no matter what? Or the one who is under pressure to be accountable and knows they must impress to receive the promotion?

Aggressive mistakes? You can let them at through them. Teach them when they're on the bench what is desired. But when a player plays with less than 100 percent effort or aggression? That's a no no. Ask any coach.

If you feel that Dante Exum is the exception, that's fine. We can agree to disagree.

One last thing, I remember being ridiculed on this board for demanding that Boozer be held accountable. My solution was to play Millsap more.
Same thing happened with Jefferson when I suggested we play Favors more to force Jefferson to play defense and stop being such a black hole.

I believe that players should be held accountable; young or old. You can agree to disagree without flinging insults.

 

[Coach Ellis]

What's BJB? I'm not familiar with you young people's language.And yes, I'm a fan. What's your point?

BJB = "Black Jesus" Burke

Quin is a smart guy. Smarter and a lot more experienced than any of us. Already this year, we've seen significant improvements in play and attitude from Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Gobert. He's one of the top coaches in the league at developing young players. He's not going to go with a knee jerk reaction and completely cut either Dante Exum's or Trey Burke's minutes. He needs them on the floor to see how they respond to specific situations. They need time on the floor for the experience and the tape. There's millions of dollars on the line to get this right.

Quin Snyder has a plan for Dante Exum's growth and development and he doesn't really give a damn what Jazzfanz thinks of it.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I do agree that players should be held accountable, but I think it's very presumptuous for us as fans to even begin to think that we know what coaches or management have set as expectations for these players.

I've always found that competition is the best motivator. This is why you should always be turning over rocks to try and get better at every single level of the team.

 

[Harcher]

Thriller - thanks for posting... the thread was a bit boring until you offered up some opinion. Your summary point below that "players should be held accountable, young or old" is not the issue. In this case, it is about how to maximize the investment you have in an asset. As noted above by others, quin is probably part of the reason that Exum is hesitant, meaning he has given him permission to be 'soft' to some degree. (While I understand that Quin says stuff in interviews, I believe he retracts a few things from his public statements when he talks to his team.) I agree with the plan of bringing Exum along slowly to maximize the investment in him. Exum is weak compared to his NBA peers. Exum will likely get broken physically or mentally if a lot of pressure is placed upon him. The risk of breaking him is not worth the minor gain he might (probably) make by pushing him harder. And it's not surprising that the first game he starts, he's extra tentative... Couple steps forward (which he's made) and a step back once in a while. One of the local college coaches said about an incoming freshman football player: "he showed up here a grown man. There's no reason not to play him right away." I use that example to say that it is clear to coaches about the nature of a given individual. Exum is tentative. So coach him up accordingly.

Does it make you feel better when you fling out insults? Does it strengthen your point? Honest questions.

Why aren't points addressed? Why must this board always demean and insult another poster and do anything BUT address their points? Is it the anonymity of the Internet that makes people so uncivil?

After 15 years of playing competitive sports and 5 years of coaching, there remains one constant: THEE best motivator is to hold players accountable. The way to do that? Threaten their PT.

Ask yourself and be honest; no need to fling personal attacks or go off on tangents, which employee performs better? The one who knows they'll get the promotion no matter what? Or the one who is under pressure to be accountable and knows they must impress to receive the promotion?

Aggressive mistakes? You can let them at through them. Teach them when they're on the bench what is desired. But when a player plays with less than 100 percent effort or aggression? That's a no no. Ask any coach.

If you feel that Dante Exum is the exception, that's fine. We can agree to disagree.

One last thing, I remember being ridiculed on this board for demanding that Boozer be held accountable. My solution was to play Millsap more.
Same thing happened with Jefferson when I suggested we play Favors more to force Jefferson to play defense and stop being such a black hole.

I believe that players should be held accountable; young or old. You can agree to disagree without flinging insults.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Thriller - thanks for posting... the thread was a bit boring until you offered up some opinion. Your summary point below that "players should be held accountable, young or old" is not the issue. In this case, it is about how to maximize the investment you have in an asset. As noted above by others, quin is probably part of the reason that Exum is hesitant, meaning he has given him permission to be 'soft' to some degree. (While I understand that Quin says stuff in interviews, I believe he retracts a few things from his public statements when he talks to his team.) I agree with the plan of bringing Exum along slowly to maximize the investment in him. Exum is weak compared to his NBA peers. Exum will likely get broken physically or mentally if a lot of pressure is placed upon him. The risk of breaking him is not worth the minor gain he might (probably) make by pushing him harder. And it's not surprising that the first game he starts, he's extra tentative... Couple steps forward (which he's made) and a step back once in a while. One of the local college coaches said about an incoming freshman football player: "he showed up here a grown man. There's no reason not to play him right away." I use that example to say that it is clear to coaches about the nature of a given individual. Exum is tentative. So coach him up accordingly.

Great post. Repped accordingly.