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Jazz kinda sorta have to pay Hayward whatever he wants...

Lets say that Cleveland does sign Hayward to a bid contract. If the Jazz don't match, and he becomes an All-Star level player, then they end up with egg on their face. Jazz had the chance to match for Wesley Matthews, but didn't because of the money. I know this is a larger scale, but Matching a max offer for Hayward is much less devastating to the Jazz right now than matching Matthews would have been at the time due to the current cap situation, and having so many players on their rookie contracts.

You don't pay a player the MAX because he MIGHT do something, said player should have already done something worthy of a MAX deal. If Hayward becomes an all-star (tough to do with Lebron, Wade, Carmelo around) the Jazz will survive. See Millsap as an example.
 
https://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mi...yane-wade-chris-bosh-unsure-lebron-james-plan

This story clearly states that Wade and Bosh were told Lebron wanted a max contract during the meeting the three of them had. Also from that article "James did not ask or suggest that Wade and Bosh opt out of their deals or take lesser salaries to allow the Heat to add other top players, according to the sources".

So looks like Core4 is wrong here.

Sorry buddy.

I call BS.

He didn't have to ask them to opt out and take less. After the beating they were given by the ultra deep Spurs it is implied when he says... "Hey, I'm going to get paid max." Once he said that their options were clear get paid or chase another ring with King James.
 
No one seems to ever want to play for the Jazz, when was the last time a 1/2 decent free agent even considered the Jazz? (Boozer, Maybe Big Al) Because the Jazz aren't even in competition even when offering more money to free agents, they have no choice but to over pay current players and hope they stick it out for the extra cash. Then we have to keep tanking and hope for a draft day miracle. Sad time to be a Jazz fan...

This isn't even true but go ahead with your inferior complex theory. It still isn't a reason to pay the MAX. For the record, NO the Jazz do not have to over pay for any player, it is a CHOICE to do so.
 
Seriously. The whole "Oh no, free agents will never come to the Jazz" woe-is-me attitude is embarrassing. And pure myth.

I don't think it is entirely a myth however the only reason isn't because there are a lot of Mormons or Utah is a weird place. I just think people don't realize that there are many factors that keep players from coming to SLC. Money, roster spots or not enough talent, geography (players want to be closer to family), lack of media exposure are a few other reasons. These are some of the same reasons why Free agents turn down other cities. Every NBA team has been rejected by a FA. Look at Dwight Howard, he couldn't wait to get out of LA. To simply say no FA don't want to come to SLC is inaccurate and has little merit. Do the Lebrons of the world want to come to SLC, probably not but Lebron shunned other cities too. Do you think he considered Milwaukee? Portland? Orlando? NO.

It is time to get over the inferior complex and realize that while SLC is the top choice for FAs neither is it the bottom of the barrel. The Jazz organization has a lot to be desired if you are an NBA player. It is one of the best run franchises and many NBA players who come hear end up loving it. Heck MJ and Dr. J lived in Utah.
 
Playing for possibly the worst head coach in the NBA and on one of the worst teams in the NBA, Gordon averaged over 16 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists. He did this while posting career lows in shooting both from 3 and total fg%.

With an upgrade in coach that pushes the pace, is it not conceivable that Gordon will post the following numbers next year:

18 PPG
4 APG
6 RPG

45% from the field and 38% from 3
(very close to his career averages).

I realize that this is pure speculation, but is a player that averages those number worth $14-$15 mil a year?
 
Playing for possibly the worst head coach in the NBA and on one of the worst teams in the NBA, Gordon averaged over 16 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists. He did this while posting career lows in shooting both from 3 and total fg%.

With an upgrade in coach that pushes the pace, is it not conceivable that Gordon will post the following numbers next year:

18 PPG
4 APG
6 RPG

45% from the field and 38% from 3
(very close to his career averages).

I realize that this is pure speculation, but is a player that averages those number worth $14-$15 mil a year?

that's a big gamble. he could simply decline. and 18/4/6 is not enough. that's a perennial 'good but not good enough' number. i would say he would have to put up 22/5/6 to have a chance to be an all star. poorman's tmac number.
 
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