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Wes Mantooth said:
Geez. Is he that bad on defense? Why isn’t he playing more?
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Because Favors is starting and Crowder gets backup minutes. Also, for whatever reason Quin wasn't playing both Jerebko and Thabo in a number of games together. But if Jonas isn't getting minutes, it's hard for me to see Belly getting a ton of minutes unless Favors is gone, but then that begs the question of why not just increase Jonas' minutes.
 
infection said:
Just having a hard time seeing a lot of utility for Bjelica being significantly better than Jerebko. Perhaps a more willing/confident shooter but they attempt the same amounts of three per minute. I get the idea that he was misused, but what are we anticipating from him?

Per 36 mins

Jerebko
46.6% FG
41.4% 3P
80.7% FT
4.8 3PA
7.8 REB
1.3 AS
13.6 points

Bjelica
46.1% FG
41.5% 3P
80% FT
5 3PA
7.2 REB
2.3 AS
11.9 points

As I don't see him being that large of an upgrade, I'd just rather roll with the continued locker room chemistry that Jonas is already a part of.
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Bjelica is a better shooter and can get more threes off because he has a much faster release than Jonas. I think Jonas had an outlier season shooting.

Jonas’ hustle was big for us at times, but with Bjelica you have to factor he plays for an old school coach and they don’t shoot a lot of threes. Giving him a green light could unlock some stuff.

I’m surprised you aren’t a bigger fan... Bjelica is the closest thing available to Niko.

Im also an advocate of using those contracts for future assets... then using MLE and such to replace what they bring. Bringing Favs on a one year deal is nice but I think it delays the inevitable... we likely don’t want the Favs Gobert pairing long term. If we sign him to a long term deal and he struggles with health or fit then we may not be able to move him and get the cap space needed to sign a difference maker in 2019.

The case for running it back is fine but being satisfied with good and not shooting for great is a mistake... I’d be all in on finding another good pick in this draft... if we get a another contributor on a cheap deal we can really roll... find another Rudy and DM and it’s over.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Bjelica is a better shooter and can get more threes off because he has a much faster release than Jonas. I think Jonas had an outlier season shooting.

Jonas’ hustle was big for us at times, but with Bjelica you have to factor he plays for an old school coach and they don’t shoot a lot of threes. Giving him a green light could unlock some stuff.

I’m surprised you aren’t a bigger fan... Bjelica is the closest thing available to Niko.
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I see the thinking behind Bjelica being utilized better but I just don't necessarily see him as being utilized so much better that it's a drastic difference from what either he or Jonas did this year. He does have a quicker release and could probably get up more threes in our system, but I'm curious how much more. Though he is the closest thing to Niko, only Niko is Niko and that dude puts up nearly twice as many threes as both those guys, so it's hard to compare those two to him.

With regard to Jonas having an anomaly year from three, the previous 5 years before coming to the Jazz he has shot a combined 38.3%.

Im also an advocate of using those contracts for future assets... then using MLE and such to replace what they bring. Bringing Favs on a one year deal is nice but I think it delays the inevitable... we likely don’t want the Favs Gobert pairing long term. If we sign him to a long term deal and he struggles with health or fit then we may not be able to move him and get the cap space needed to sign a difference maker in 2019.

The case for running it back is fine but being satisfied with good and not shooting for great is a mistake... I’d be all in on finding another good pick in this draft... if we get a another contributor on a cheap deal we can really roll... find another Rudy and DM and it’s over.
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I know you're speaking generally and not necessarily to me, but I don't disagree with this, it's just that I don't see Bjelica as that much of a difference maker and would rather roll with the guy who's here for $4M and one year rather than tying up more cash for a small upgrade.
 
infection said:
I see the thinking behind Bjelica being utilized better but I just don't necessarily see him as being utilized so much better that it's a drastic difference from what either he or Jonas did this year. He does have a quicker release and could probably get up more threes in our system, but I'm curious how much more. Though he is the closest thing to Niko, only Niko is Niko and that dude puts up nearly twice as many threes as both those guys, so it's hard to compare those two to him.

With regard to Jonas having an anomaly year from three, the previous 5 years before coming to the Jazz he has shot a combined 38.3%.



I know you're speaking generally and not necessarily to me, but I don't disagree with this, it's just that I don't see Bjelica as that much of a difference maker and would rather roll with the guy who's here for $4M and one year rather than tying up more cash for a small upgrade.
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Fair response... I think on Jonas he ends up somewhere in the 35-40% range but is not likely over 40%... I expect Bjelica to be over 40%.

If we can't find a taker for the unguaranteeds I think keeping Jonas and Thabo is reasonable... though I think it will be one or the other and Jonas has a later guarantee date and is more likely to be released.

We could offer Bjelica see if the contract comes through and then make a decision on Jonas. I would likely only do a 1+1 with Bjelica, but turning that spot over gives us a chance at that second year option and makes the money more valuable in a trade... not sure if that makes sense. Like if we could get Jonas on another 1+1 at 4M that would make me more likely to stand pat.

Jonas is good too... went from around 3.5-4 attempts per 36 to 5 and had a career year... I just think Bjelica can push it to 7ish and can get them off when contested... provides more space.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Fair response... I think on Jonas he ends up somewhere in the 35-40% range but is not likely over 40%... I expect Bjelica to be over 40%.

If we can't find a taker for the unguaranteeds I think keeping Jonas and Thabo is reasonable... though I think it will be one or the other and Jonas has a later guarantee date and is more likely to be released.

We could offer Bjelica see if the contract comes through and then make a decision on Jonas. I would likely only do a 1+1 with Bjelica, but turning that spot over gives us a chance at that second year option and makes the money more valuable in a trade... not sure if that makes sense. Like if we could get Jonas on another 1+1 at 4M that would make me more likely to stand pat.

Jonas is good too... went from around 3.5-4 attempts per 36 to 5 and had a career year... I just think Bjelica can push it to 7ish and can get them off when contested... provides more space.
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If he can advance to 7 attempts per 36 then that would be pretty good.

For me the jury is still out on his long-range shot, though, as his track record dating back through Europe is less reliable % than Jonas.
 
infection said:
If he can advance to 7 attempts per 36 then that would be pretty good.

For me the jury is still out on his long-range shot, though, as his track record dating back through Europe is less reliable % than Jonas.
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That and his health record are worrisome. I just don't want us to settle for guys that are less good because just because they like being here and fit in... it is a factor for sure, but sometimes you need to infuse new blood. I think of the errors we've made most of them are being stagnant in favor of chemistry etc. I'd like us to be smartly aggressive. I have a hard time believing those unguaranteed contracts aren't worth a first or a decent prospect with salary that is undesirable and expires in 2019... then we replace guys like Jonas or Ekpe in FA.
 
infection said:
I see the thinking behind Bjelica being utilized better but I just don't necessarily see him as being utilized so much better that it's a drastic difference from what either he or Jonas did this year. He does have a quicker release and could probably get up more threes in our system, but I'm curious how much more. Though he is the closest thing to Niko, only Niko is Niko and that dude puts up nearly twice as many threes as both those guys, so it's hard to compare those two to him.

With regard to Jonas having an anomaly year from three, the previous 5 years before coming to the Jazz he has shot a combined 38.3%.



I know you're speaking generally and not necessarily to me, but I don't disagree with this, it's just that I don't see Bjelica as that much of a difference maker and would rather roll with the guy who's here for $4M and one year rather than tying up more cash for a small upgrade.
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Jonas is only good at shooting corner 3's, which is nice cuz the Jazz shoot a lot of corner 3's.

Bjelica is an elite level shooter from above the break for a big (at least he was this year and his first year, not so much his 2nd). It's the same thing that makes Niko valuable as a shooter. He would probably shoot more 3's under Quin.

I can see the upside of signing Bjelica, but I just dont think he is good enough defensively and with the way the NBA is trending I'd rather have an Ariza type player at the 4. I wouldn't be that mad at Bjelica at the full MLE.
 
In light of the dm article, I think there is more pressure on the Jazz to build the right team to compete for a chip. I'm not saying win now, I'm saying do what it takes to build that team. I think it less likely that we stand pat. We will take a chance rather than play it safe.

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I don’t think there is any reason to gamble at this stage at all. Donovan just finished his rookie year. See how he develops for another year as well as the other younger guys. The swing for the fences time isn’t there just yet
 
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Stars Fan said:
In light of the dm article, I think there is more pressure on the Jazz to build the right team to compete for a chip. I'm not saying win now, I'm saying do what it takes to build that team. I think it less likely that we stand pat. We will take a chance rather than play it safe.

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This team went 30-9 after Gorbert returned. Most of the pieces are already there. The issue for Utah is they are one bad long-term deal from screwing the pooch for a few years. So assuming we went after Jabari and he blows out his knee again, we'd be boned because we have no Favors to insert. I believe Utah is either going to have to be incredibly lucky in the draft or swing for the fenses for their third cog. Utah needs to be smart with how they proceed.
 
That's why I like the idea of signing guys like Bjelika and Hezonja. If they don't perfectly fit, they cost less than $10 and can be moved for less than some contract like Porter's.

The nonguaranteeds are huge too. They could really help us improve our draft pick.

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TheStormofWar said:
This team went 30-9 after Gorbert returned. Most of the pieces are already there. The issue for Utah is they are one bad long-term deal from screwing the pooch for a few years. So assuming we went after Jabari and he blows out his knee again, we'd be boned because we have no Favors to insert. I believe Utah is either going to have to be incredibly lucky in the draft or swing for the fenses for their third cog. Utah needs to be smart with how they proceed.
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Exactly. Just say no to Parker.
 
infection said:
If he can advance to 7 attempts per 36 then that would be pretty good.

For me the jury is still out on his long-range shot, though, as his track record dating back through Europe is less reliable % than Jonas.
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the main thing with Belly is his range is far more than Jonas. He shoots out to Niko range
 
I’d be totally ****ing down with just coming back with the same core so long as Exum and Favors have opt outs next summer or are on trade friendly deals. I’d prob then be on board if we traded 21 to some consistently semi ****** team for their 1st next season.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I’d be totally ****ing down with just coming back with the same core so long as Exum and Favors have opt outs next summer or are on trade friendly deals. I’d prob then be on board if we traded 21 to some consistently semi ****** team for their 1st next season.
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That would then give us what feels like way more assets next winter. Two 2019 1sts, Exum and Favors (and Crowder and Sef) on great deals,


There would be really solid value there to make a move for something legitimate.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
That would then give us what feels like way more assets next winter. Two 2019 1sts, Exum and Favors (and Crowder and Sef) on great deals,


There would be really solid value there to make a move for something legitimate.
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Next years draft is ****** though. I’d do the opposite... trade our pick next year for a pick this year... better chance of being ready in 2/3 years.
 
I also wonder if we are underestimating how much not having a legit backup pg hurt us when Rubio went down and if we should maybe consider signing Vanvleet since we already have stretch 4’s in Crowder and Sef and JJ. If we choose to retain the latter two.
 
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