Jazz not using Marvin correctly. One of ESPNs top 8 Buy low players

[CitizenofCapua]

Comparing Marvin to DMC isn't fair as DMC gets his burn with Favors/Kanter/Watson/Burks/Hayward vs. Marvin with Al/Millsap/Foye (3 players who probably 'haven't checked my stats' shoot the most on our team).

I agree, we are using him incorrectly and this article is pretty much on. Free him up with some shots and get him involved in the offense (If we have one that is) and I think he is a MUCH better player from what he has shown us.

Its not about getting touches or being 4th, 5th option. No one holding you back from doing other things or showing that you deserve more touches beside putting up some points. So comparing him with DMC makes perfect sense for me. DMC smaller and playing with better rebounders like Favors and Kanter, playing 10 minute less than Marvin but they nearly have the same rebound numbers. That was just an example but i mean no one holding you back from doing this kind of things.

And Marvin is not showing that he deserves more touches cause he cant put it on the floor properly, cant outrun his match-up off the ball and with the ball. And maybe he would be more useful at 4 with some go to moves and stretching the floor ala Lewis used to, or Earl Clark in LA right now. Cause he is not good with the ball. I guess he used a lot at 4 in Atlanta when Horford was injured for a long period and its not a new thing for him. Maybe next year we can try him at this spot, cause even right now he is playing more like a stretch 4, but opponents 4 is still under the rim cause on the paper he is still a SF.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I thought when the Jazz got him he was supposed to flourish because he is a spot up shooter. Now he sucks because he can't slash and create his own shot enough?

Just face it the guy is about the 8th - 10th best player a given team.

He IS a spot-up shooter and his %'s aren't that bad. The problem is, he never gets the ball. In games where Marvin has taken 8 or more shots this season, his FG% is 46%, three points higher than his current overall percentage. Yes, players shoot better when they have a chance to get into a bit of a rhythm. And I suspect if Al weren't around clogging up the lane. Marvin (and others) may even get a chance to make some cuts to the basket - and get the ball passed to them for a few layups every now and then.

 

[BayAreaJazzFan]

When we got Foye + Marvin, I assumed their roles would more or less be swapped than they are now. Foye would be our spot up shooter in the corner and Marvin handling the ball and creating more for himself.

 

[CitizenofCapua]

I thought when the Jazz got him he was supposed to flourish because he is a spot up shooter. Now he sucks because he can't slash and create his own shot enough?

Just face it the guy is about the 8th - 10th best player a given team.

A true SF should create his own shot or have a post up game at a reasonable level at least. If you cant do these things and still get 8 mil. per year, you are overpaid.

 

[HipHopAnonymous]

He IS a spot-up shooter and his %'s aren't that bad. The problem is, he never gets the ball. In games where Marvin has taken 8 or more shots this season, his FG% is 46%, three points higher than his current overall percentage. Yes, players shoot better when they have a chance to get into a bit of a rhythm. And I suspect if Al weren't around clogging up the lane. Marvin (and others) may even get a chance to make some cuts to the basket - and get the ball passed to them for a few layups every now and then.

He averages 7 shots a game. So they just need to find him one more shot (on average) per game to turn him into a decent starter?

I'd rather give his 26 minutes a game to Carroll and Carroll's 17 minutes a game to Williams. I think you'd have a better chance for production that way.

 

[HipHopAnonymous]

A true SF should create his own shot or have a post up game at a reasonable level at least. If you cant do these things and still get 8 mil. per year, you are overpaid.

Well it was a given he is overpaid when he got traded straight up for Devin freaking Harris.

 

[carolinajazz]

Anyways, that's just a theory. It could be that the coaching and managing of the Jazz sucks really bad and then we're all screwed and life sucks and Corbins a hack and the city will move and Windows 8 sucks.

.....like the "theory of evolution?" Biggest hoax ever conceived! Don't know about Windows 8.....what do you recommend if and when I must upgrade???

 

[orangello]

I'm convinced that this is a developmental season where Burks/Favors/Kanter/Hayward all play outside their comfort zone and try to add more skill set against the bench. It's a good thing because it'll allow Favors and Kanter to be more than one-dimensional. Same with Burks though he's got it harder because he has to play a position where he isn't supposed to be on all the time and a position where he is supposed to be on all the time.
That's why we haven't seen a lot of Kanter pick and pop, not much Favors PnR, or Burks driving in. Hayward's a couple years ahead in terms of being multi-dimensional so he can focus on just dominating the court.

Anyways, that's just a theory. It could be that the coaching and managing of the Jazz sucks really bad and then we're all screwed and life sucks and Corbins a hack and the city will move and Windows 8 sucks.

I would agree with this if all those players you just mentioned were already beasting it with their current skill set. If they had already proved that they have an NBA skill that is hard to stop then I can see adding other pieces just to be even more of a weapon. As it stands right now Favors has a tough time finishing consistently at the rim on the PnR. Burks hasn't had a chance since summer league to truly run a team and create when he feels like. If that was already developed then Jimmer would have been posterized more than once this last week.

As far as Hayward and Kanter are concerned you might have a case. Due to Kanters mid range game it seems as though he is getting to the rim more without the up and underkanter. What I would really like to see out of Kanter is the ability to be backing someone down and he pulls it back for a fadaway. If he can develop that shot then look out! Hayward controlling the offense and using the drive and dish is coming along nicely. I would like to see him initial the offense more but he is doing things this year that he wasn't doing last year.

 

[MoTappin]

I agree he isn't being used correctly. He seems like a good teammate & a nice guy. But if being in our "system" is detrimental then I wouldn't mind seeing him packaged in a trade. Too bad really. I like the guy but I don't think Corbin really knows what to do with him.

 

[midnight_hwy]

Count me in the minority I guess, but If I were a player, I wouldn't want nothing to do with playing with the Jazz starting unit. It's the most stale, non movement offense I've have ever seen. I've seen more ball movement at jr Jazz games.
I'm actually surprised that anyone other than Al scores in that group.

Just as Hayward benefited by going to the second unit, I would think Marvin would be more of a part of the offense as well in the second unit.

Dmc really should be in the starting unit, as the things that he does, are sorely needed in the starting unit. Maybe they would play with a little more hustle and desire.

 

[MoTappin]

Just as Hayward benefited by going to the second unit, I would think Marvin would be more of a part of the offense as well in the second unit.

Dmc really should be in the starting unit, as the things that he does, are sorely needed in the starting unit. Maybe they would play with a little more hustle and desire.

Nice observation.

 

[Stoked]

If I had to make two changes to the starting unit it would be Carroll for Marvin and Favors for Millsap.

 

[DutchJazzer]

A true SF should create his own shot or have a post up game at a reasonable level at least. If you cant do these things and still get 8 mil. per year, you are overpaid.

WHO KNOWS IF HE CAN DO THOSE THINGS.

HE IS THE FRIGGIN 5TH OPTION

to do those things he needs the ball.
his job on this team is dump the ball down to al and stand somehwere to jack up a shot when the shotclock is down and al passed it out

 

[CitizenofCapua]

WHO KNOWS IF HE CAN DO THOSE THINGS.

HE IS THE FRIGGIN 5TH OPTION

to do those things he needs the ball.
his job on this team is dump the ball down to al and stand somehwere to jack up a shot when the shotclock is down and al passed it out

I've seen enough to decide that he cant do these things properly and not like he is not getting any touches to prove me wrong, or showing some flashes that he has it.

 

[Weezur]

Typically, players use the first few seasons to hone their skills and perfect what they already know so that their advantages in college continue to be so in the NBA. Millsap was not forced to develop his jumper in his rookie or sophomore year, since that would have been an idiotic move on a cosmic scale. His PF skills needed a lot of work before any attempt to expand his game. Similarly, Favors strengths are all wasted. It's not like he has a great offensive game outside of the post. All that "playing outside of his comfort zone" will accomplish, is to add another set of poorly developed skills that are simply not helpful at this level of basketball.

Also, I find it strange that those strategies all involve close minded systematic approach to basketball. It's not like Favors is encouraged to pass in a PnR situation, thus adding dimensionality to one of his strengths. Hell, AJ was lauded for learning to pass every now and then when he gets the ball in the post. To Corbin, not shooting the ball every single time you touch it is an achievement worth publicizing.

Ironically, I would be more accepting of the approach if it was taken with the mentality you seem to espouse. I would not agree with it. But I would accept that my basketball knowledge pales in comparison to people who have been around the NBA for decades. But that's not it. Corbin is simply not an NBA level headcoach. He's the perfect yesman in an organization that no longer cares about high level competition, and is contented offering a passable product that brings in moderate profits with little risk.

Yeah there's a lot of different ways to look at developing players.
You say that Favors doesn't have a great offensive game outside the post but I've seen him getting adding new things into his arsenal almost game by game. He's passing better off the post, his touch around the rim and ability to use the left hand...all these are things that are improving. If you talk to any New Jersey fan, they'll agree.
It makes sense to me to get him to develop multiple skills even if they're not as great as his strengths because once teams scout the strengths, then all you're left with are your other skills.

As an example, look at Dwight- He didn't develop skills, his strength was overpowering his opponent in the post and scoring.
Now all teams have to do is foul him or get him past the key and he doesn't have anything else to go to.

Anyways, I hope that's how the Jazz are developing the youngsters and that that's why they only see time against 2nd tier players. Otherwise, we've had a stupid coach and management system all along.

.....like the "theory of evolution?" Biggest hoax ever conceived! Don't know about Windows 8.....what do you recommend if and when I must upgrade???

Downgrade to Windows 7, even Vista is better than 8. I just got a laptop and am very dissatisfied.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

At this point, Marvin for expiring(s) and two 2nds sounds extremely appealing. So did hiring me two years ago though too. So I'm not sure what to think.

 

[Stifle Tower]

He averages 7 shots a game. So they just need to find him one more shot (on average) per game to turn him into a decent starter?

I'd rather give his 26 minutes a game to Carroll and Carroll's 17 minutes a game to Williams. I think you'd have a better chance for production that way.

Averages can be deceiving. Yes, a couple of games he'll get 10 or 15 shots. Then he'll have between 2-4 for several games. He needs to consistently get 7-8 shots and when he's extremely hot, you keep feeding him. All you really need to do is have Jefferson shoot 3-4 fewer shots, have Foye control his chucking and pass the ball occasionally to Marvin.

 

[Stifle Tower]

If I had to make two changes to the starting unit it would be Carroll for Marvin and Favors for Millsap.

I agree with you there. Marvin should come off the bench where he'll get more chances to score. Carroll is better at rebounding Al's misses.

 

[Fishsticks]

Jefferson just needs to be limited to 10 attempts a game and he probably would improve his efficiency. Why have we anointed him the one to shoot at will anyways.

 

[franklin]

I'm convinced that this is a developmental season where Burks/Favors/Kanter/Hayward all play outside their comfort zone and try to add more skill set against the bench. It's a good thing because it'll allow Favors and Kanter to be more than one-dimensional. Same with Burks though he's got it harder because he has to play a position where he isn't supposed to be on all the time and a position where he is supposed to be on all the time.
That's why we haven't seen a lot of Kanter pick and pop, not much Favors PnR, or Burks driving in. Hayward's a couple years ahead in terms of being multi-dimensional so he can focus on just dominating the court.

Anyways, that's just a theory. It could be that the coaching and managing of the Jazz sucks really bad and then we're all screwed and life sucks and Corbins a hack and the city will move and Windows 8 sucks.

This.

I don't get all the Corbin tantrums when he has explicitly said he is trying to bring certain young guys along, & these guys have shown dramatic improvements over their raw baselines. We will look back in a few years hearing these kids praising Corbin's role in pushing them toward All Star status.