Corbin did no coaching with Jason Terry. It was Hayward's great D; it was only by chance he started at the SG. What Corbin didn't do is exploit the mismatch on the offensive end just like Rivers did with Barbosa and Green with Tinsley and Foye. Do you really think Corbin had anything to do with Rondo's points??
The fact that Popovich has three great All Stars does not diminish his coaching prowess, and the same goes for Sloan. Corbin is not even on the same planet with these two coaches yet.
Examples to follow.
Let's go apples to apples then:
Corbin running the exact same play but Lakers don't give the Jazz the same thing Phoenix gave the Spurs.
Well, not the same play at this point since the first his a high pick and roll, but the second one is Mo iso. What's more, the Spurs need three points at the end of the game, so their spacing will reflect their desire to defend the three (yet they get a wide-open shot). The second is iso at the end of the half with Al still down low. Thus, their spacing reflects this. I don't think skill has anything to do with the spacing of these plays.
1. When we drop the ball into the block, have fun and freeze the frame. 80% of the time, the other 4 guys are on the other half of the floor bunched together, and nobody is moving.
This play drives me bat **** crazy & I've been vocal about it going back to the San Antonio series. Al Jefferson is not efficient enough in the low post to run this play from the 1. Why the hell aren't they running motion to send the ball in from the 2 or 5 so they're already moving & opening options? This play only works with extremely good post play, and even then shouldn't be used as the primary option. Sloan didn't nearly as much as we act like he did. Instead, Malone came baseline across a screen a lot for entry pass position and was a PnR threat as well. Going one to five with the point guard running through leaves no other options other than a very quick catch 'n' jack 3, and the Jazz are fresh out of Hornacek right now. STOP RUNNING THIS STUPID ****ING PLAY WITH MORE THAN 8 SECONDS ON THE SHOT CLOCK! (wait, that's what Corbin has said he's trying to do)
This post should be tagged for reference to why Al Jefferson is seen as a black hole who can't assist. It is pretty damn hard for anyone to assist out of this setup. It's way too easy to double & triple team while covering four players with the remaining 2-3. The reason it worked with Malone was because he could get to the line, was a quicker post scorer, way more versatile shooter, and could step out for PnR. It's flat out a ****ty play without a top 30 all time talent. Corbin, please give us some bleeping ball reversal before the entry pass! Isn't Millsap capable of running high low with Jefferson?
Did I mention yet how much I hate this stupid play?
Of course no blame is to go on the Jazz FO for making the coaching staff and player personnel decisions. I never once hear anyone criticize KOC or Randy Rigby. Everyone thinks is solely on Corbin for the playing time issues with the young guys. I dont think its that simple. I think Corbin is doing the best he can considering everything that is on the table.
I would drop dead from shock if I heard Corbin say anything this detailed and logical! The girl from Jazzfanatical highlights the phrases "keep working" and "get better" every time he gives a statement or answers any question. It's alarming how often he uses these phrases and his young players seem to follow suit.
Of course no blame is to go on the Jazz FO for making the coaching staff and player personnel decisions. I never once hear anyone criticize KOC or Randy Rigby. Everyone thinks is solely on Corbin for the playing time issues with the young guys. I dont think its that simple. I think Corbin is doing the best he can considering everything that is on the table.
One thing Sloan did well--over time--is convey why he made the tough choices that fans often got irate over. Those explanations won over the hearts of many doubters. Corbin thus far has been pretty damn aloof and detached in his responses. Even so, I hesitate to throw stones at the guy because he's in a really difficult spot. Is he supposed to come out and declare that he wants to transition away from Jefferson/Millsap and toward the young guys? That would absolutely kill team chemistry and convey weakness to the market about AJ and Sap's value to the franchise.
The PC from sports personnel can get plenty nauseating. What I wouldn't give for the players union to strike over freedom of speech. I genuinely appreciate guys who speak their mind in the heat of the moment. I'm a fan of a lot of the things D-Will did as I viewed them as his passion for winning. PC has taken that aspect away and it truly is sad.
This play drives me bat **** crazy & I've been vocal about it going back to the San Antonio series. Al Jefferson is not efficient enough in the low post to run this play from the 1. Why the hell aren't they running motion to send the ball in from the 2 or 5 so they're already moving & opening options? This play only works with extremely good post play, and even then shouldn't be used as the primary option. Sloan didn't nearly as much as we act like he did. Instead, Malone came baseline across a screen a lot for entry pass position and was a PnR threat as well. Going one to five with the point guard running through leaves no other options other than a very quick catch 'n' jack 3, and the Jazz are fresh out of Hornacek right now. STOP RUNNING THIS STUPID ****ING PLAY WITH MORE THAN 8 SECONDS ON THE SHOT CLOCK! (wait, that's what Corbin has said he's trying to do)
I'm not a hundred percent sure I'm following you. Our base offense (when we're not running PnR's), from what I see, starts with Mo at the top (or the 1). We run flex cuts with baseline crosses under the basket which get Al set and Mo usually passes off to the wing on his side. He then proceeds to run through the lane, pretends to set a screen, and pops back up on the arc opposite the post. Once the wing dumps to the post, which is often nearly at the top of the key, Al is stranded with the ball on the block. He's got one wing guy to pass to (sort of), and 3 other guys stationary on the other side of the key. So his only option is to score or pass out.
If we had a designed cutter to the hoop, or opposite side screens sending guys through the lane, or perimeter players sliding along the arc into his field of vision, he would always have options. But the key to making any post player a good passer is predictability. If they know shooters at the arc are in certain spots or a cutter is coming, then they'll know those options are there and won't be surprised when they magically pop up. When we had AK and Brewer, we never had to worry about cutters. And Boozer was a magically better passer with them than he has been with Chicago.
The PC from sports personnel can get plenty nauseating. What I wouldn't give for the players union to strike over freedom of speech. I genuinely appreciate guys who speak their mind in the heat of the moment. I'm a fan of a lot of the things D-Will did as I viewed them as his passion for winning. PC has taken that aspect away and it truly is sad.
One thing Sloan did well--over time--is convey why he made the tough choices that fans often got irate over. Those explanations won over the hearts of many doubters. Corbin thus far has been pretty damn aloof and detached in his responses. Even so, I hesitate to throw stones at the guy because he's in a really difficult spot. Is he supposed to come out and declare that he wants to transition away from Jefferson/Millsap and toward the young guys? That would absolutely kill team chemistry and convey weakness to the market about AJ and Sap's value to the franchise.
Corbin really is stuck in a hard spot on every angle I've looked at it this team. He's doing his best to move away from the thing we all hate the most which is black hole Jefferson-centric ball. He doesn't have the luxury of a dominant point guard to do this with & is clearly trying to go the next step by bringing Hayweird along to initiate the offense. Hayweird is inconsistent and incredibly frustrating at times though, and Mo Williams has plenty of limitations in addition to his propensity for chucking up volumes. The way I see it, Jazzfanz has been killing Corbin for remaining silent and holding his head high. He can't just come out and say "What the bleep do you people want me to do? Jefferson is inefficient in the low post and not dynamic enough to spread a team game further out. I don't have a point guard capable of doing the things Williams did within Sloan's version of Flex, I don't have a dominant 2 or 3 to run other offensive sets through, & our wing 3 point shooting is highly suspect at times if not always. This team is seriously ****ed people! Open your damn eyes to that fact. We've tried to sub in Favors, Kanter, and Burks, but they are just too damn raw and make as many mistakes as they get lost."
So there you have it. These are the reasons I don't feel right blaming Corbin for anything. He's a smart guy and it's not incredibly difficult to learn to copycat the offensive geniuses of the last 70 years. Corbin knows all the sets and can revert to a playbook in the case he doesn't. The guy has reasons for why he's not doing this or that, we just don't know them. Do we really think the Jazz organization hired a guy who didn't show Sloan of all people that he was capable of understanding plays in depth? After all, Corbin was in H.C. discussions a couple years before Sloan's departure. Who do we think gave Corbin a stamp of approval?
So start a thread on it. Who knows, maybe Freakazoid will show up to fight Gameface on the integrity and implications of taking a few steps back to move many more forward. Maybe some posters will chime in on their love for the winning mentality and others the desire to shoot for the stars. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we haven't had any discussions on the F.O.'s vision -- you should start this up a.s.a.p.
But how much of that is on Ty?
Deron, AK, Brewer and Boozer were a lot more intelligent (and talented) than what the Jazz put out there right now.
Is a guy who averages 19.5 points per 36 minutes not generally a substantially better scorer than a guy scoring 15 per 36 with more field goal attempts (if their minutes are in the same ball park)?Boozer is not a substantially better passer than either Al or Sap as his Chicago numbers would indicate
But it's all on Ty? The Jazz don't have anyone who can figure it out with a short shot clock. Mo may compete harder and more consistently than Devin, but Devin's a superior facilitator/creator (and he's not particularly good anymore).
As much as it pains me to say it, given the Jazz's perimeter talent, Al should be getting the ball more in the post.