Jazz Officially Matched Hayward According to Woj

[seattlejazzfan]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

 

[UGLI baby]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

Yeah, ppl want to pretend like Gordon got a "Gilbert Arenas OMGWTF?!?!" type Max, but it's just not true.

Hayward probly won't live up to the contract, but there is also very little chance of it becoming an albatross.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

Completely different situation. Miami is a desperate vet led team in the EC trying to milk a few more years out of their remaining big 2.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

All three of those guys earned max contracts before they were granted.
Malone
Stockton
Williams

Undeserving max contracts puts you in mediocrity for a long time
Kirilenko
Okur
Hayward

Okur did not get a max contract, even if some feel like he got more than he deserved on his last contract extension.



Also I have yet to find one person who thinks Hayward is worth or earned a max contract but two things. Timing is everything and the timing of this market led to the max offer. Also I am guessing that while not happy the Jazz matched and have contingency plans/ideas in place. I am also sure they looked at the upcoming FA class next year on who might be available and who would realistically agree/want to sign with the Jazz and they determined despite being over paid matching was the best option at this time.


Lastly I do NOT believe coach Q will give out playing time based on a player's salary, he doesn't owe Hayward anything as he's just coming into this situation. I do believe it will earn Hayward the benefit of the doubt and he will likely start even if it all implodes but if he plays that poorly he wouldn't get starter minutes.

 

[da ThRONe]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

Bosh was a superstar in Toronto and honestly I feel he can be that again without having to defer to James and Wade. What about Hayward even suggest he can be remotely as good as Bosh has already shown?

 

[Stoked]

Completely different situation. Miami is a desperate vet led team in the EC trying to milk a few more years out of their remaining big 2.

And Utah is a young up and coming team with 2-3 years before they might be contenders. The have the time and financial means to absorb this contract. Not ideal but not a game ender.

 

[akirac73]

I'm starting to not like Lindsey now...horrible ****ing decision. Just horrible. I guarantee even the biggest Hayward homers here will regret this within a year.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Bosh was a superstar in Toronto and honestly I feel he can be that again without having to defer to James and Wade. What about Hayward even suggest he can be remotely as good as Bosh has already shown?

So Bosh was good and actually played like a guy 6'11" 5-6 years ago. All LeBron needed him to do was rebound and defend like a big man and he couldn't do it. Don't count on a 31 year old Bosh returning to his 25 year old form.

 

[da ThRONe]

I have little doubt in my mind that this was a Miller family signing.

He looks like a Mormon and is white. They've tried Desperately to make him the face of the franchise despite Burks being the superior player overall.

This was a Miller family signing more than anything.

I'm starting to think that the majority of bad deals revolve around ownership butting in and forcing the hands of their respective GM's. I have a hard time thinking that smart high BBIQ people can consistently make awful decision otherwise. Clearly Lindsey didn't think Hayward was worth this contract otherwise he would have signed him for less a lot longer ago.

 

[fishonjazz]

This. It has been proven time and time again that guys are given unearned hype and unfair additional chances based on things like contracts and draft order. If this goes bad Lindsey will likely put pressure on Snyder to play Hayward to try and justify his contract. Even if Hood and Burks comes in right away and completely out play Hayward I see no way the Jazz as an franchise can just play Gordon back up mins.

This IMO is Lindsey's first huge compound mistake.

This is how i feel as well.

Hayward is our to guy for at least through next season whether he flourishes in that role or falls on his face

 

[Deleted member 365]

And Utah is a young up and coming team with 2-3 years before they might be contenders. The have the time and financial means to absorb this contract. Not ideal but not a game ender.

Utah should be in the business of collecting talent and remaining flexible. In search of finding a core. Hayward is hardly a core piece. He's a nice role player (who can't shoot). Bosh is.

 

[da ThRONe]

So Bosh was good and actually played like a guy 6'11" 5-6 years ago. All LeBron needed him to do was rebound and defend like a big man and he couldn't do it. Don't count on a 31 year old Bosh returning to his 25 year old form.

Bosh game isn't based on athleticism like a lot of bigs. His game has always been finesse and based mostly on skill. Bosh isn't a great rebounder and was never all world defensively so he wasn't allowed to play to his biggest strength so of course he's going to look less valuable in that situation. However Bosh give up his style of play and played out of position and never complained or sulked.

When Bosh was the man he was dragging Toronto to the playoffs almost single handedly. When Hayward was the man Utah was the worst team in the Western conference. You tell me who most likely deserves a max deal?